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Message-Id: <199701211730.SAA17753@mailserv.caiw.nl>
From: "Martijn" <W DOT Kersbergen AT caiw DOT nl>
To: <djgpp AT delorie DOT com>, "Cesar Scarpini Rabak" <csrabak AT dce03 DOT ipt DOT br>
Subject: Re: Windows programming under DJGPP
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:28:43 +0100
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Hi,

A few commends of my own:
About the tools you mentioned:
	- Help compilers aren't very hard to get
	- A resource compiler is included
	- The GUI-building tool. I agree, you need that. It wouldn't be too hard
to make that I think.
	- Debugger. I think there's a debugger in rsxnt. I'm not sure though.
Although I've just started with
	- with rsntdj, I don't think a debugger is a really must have.

Is it worhwhile? I really don't know. It is how you view this, I think. For
freeware or shareware author's who just want to write programs, I think
this is a good alternative. It is certainly a LOT cheaper. But, if you want
to write commercial programs, then you'd probably be better off, with a
commercial compiler. Now, I haven't used rsxntdj a lot yet, and I am
running into some problems, I do think rsxtnd can be used to create
programs from scratch, once you have a GUI-building tool. In rsxnt is also
included an IDE, so all in all it is a more or less complete package, for
those who don't need full-blown and full-featured expensive compilers.

Sincerely,
martijn

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> From: Cesar Scarpini Rabak <csrabak AT dce03 DOT ipt DOT br>
> To: Martijn <W DOT Kersbergen AT caiw DOT nl>; djgpp AT delorie DOT com
> Subject: Re: Windows programming under DJGPP
> Date: dinsdag 21 januari 1997 20:47
> 
> At 11:09 21/01/97 GMT, Martijn wrote:
> >You can create GUI applications just as easily with rsxntdj. But it is
> >simply not complete. The code it creates is small and fast.
> >
> >Now....it would help if there was some documentation. 
> >
> 
> Just my two cents.
> I already pointed (in the old V1 days) that whereas (the now) rsxntdj
> package __may__ even be used to create full 'native' windows apps, it
will
> be awkward doing so with it except if we add a few tools to it:
> 
>         A help authoring, compiler;
>         A resource compiler;
>         And nowadays a GUI builder tool (graphics oriented) to easy the
> chores of putting the buttons, scrollbars and all the other objects in
the
> right places;
>         Last but not the least, a sort of debugger appropriate to the
> windows environment.
> 
> Otherwise, one can surely with a bit of work _port_ an app written for
> windows and successfuly compile it with rsxntdj, but it would be really
hard
> to build anything other than trivial programs 'from scratch'.
> 
> The really question I think is: is it worthwhile? Modern apps for windows
> use also the M$ MFC which would have to be purchased anyway?
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Cesar Scarpini Rabak                      E-mail: csrabak AT ipt DOT br
> DME/ASC                                   Phone: 55-11-268-3522 Ext.350
> IPT - Instituto de Pesquisas Tecnologicas Fax:   55-11-268-5996
> Av. Prof. Almeida Prado, 532.  Sao Paulo - SP 05508-901 BRAZIL
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">Hi,<br><br>A few commends of my =
own:<br>About the tools you mentioned:<br>&#009;- Help compilers aren't =
very hard to get<br>&#009;- A resource compiler is included<br>&#009;- =
The GUI-building tool. I agree, you need that. It wouldn't be too hard =
to make that I think.<br>&#009;- Debugger. I think there's a debugger in =
rsxnt. I'm not sure though. Although I've just started with<br>&#009;- =
with rsntdj, I don't think a debugger is a really must have.<br><br>Is =
it worhwhile? I really don't know. It is how you view this, I think. For =
freeware or shareware author's who just want to write programs, I think =
this is a good alternative. It is certainly a LOT cheaper. But, if you =
want to write commercial programs, then you'd probably be better off, =
with a commercial compiler. Now, I haven't used rsxntdj a lot yet, and I =
am running into some problems, I do think rsxtnd can be used to create =
programs from scratch, once you have a GUI-building tool. In rsxnt is =
also included an IDE, so all in all it is a more or less complete =
package, for those who don't need full-blown and full-featured expensive =
compilers.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>martijn<br><br>----------<br>&gt; From: =
Cesar Scarpini Rabak &lt;<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>csrabak AT dce03 DOT ipt DOT br</u><font =
color=3D"#000000">&gt;<br>&gt; To: Martijn &lt;<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>W DOT Kersbergen AT caiw DOT nl</u><font =
color=3D"#000000">&gt;; <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>djgpp AT delorie DOT com</u><font =
color=3D"#000000"><br>&gt; Subject: Re: Windows programming under =
DJGPP<br>&gt; Date: dinsdag 21 januari 1997 20:47<br>&gt; <br>&gt; At =
11:09 21/01/97 GMT, Martijn wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;You can create GUI =
applications just as easily with rsxntdj. But it is<br>&gt; &gt;simply =
not complete. The code it creates is small and fast.<br>&gt; =
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Now....it would help if there was some documentation. =
<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Just my two cents.<br>&gt; I already =
pointed (in the old V1 days) that whereas (the now) rsxntdj<br>&gt; =
package __may__ even be used to create full 'native' windows apps, it =
will<br>&gt; be awkward doing so with it except if we add a few tools to =
it:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A =
help authoring, compiler;<br>&gt; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A resource =
compiler;<br>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And =
nowadays a GUI builder tool (graphics oriented) to easy the<br>&gt; =
chores of putting the buttons, scrollbars and all the other objects in =
the<br>&gt; right places;<br>&gt; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Last but not the least, =
a sort of debugger appropriate to the<br>&gt; windows =
environment.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Otherwise, one can surely with a bit of =
work _port_ an app written for<br>&gt; windows and successfuly compile =
it with rsxntdj, but it would be really hard<br>&gt; to build anything =
other than trivial programs 'from scratch'.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; The really =
question I think is: is it worthwhile? Modern apps for windows<br>&gt; =
use also the M$ MFC which would have to be purchased anyway?<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; =
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r>&gt; Cesar Scarpini Rabak =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E-mail: <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>csrabak AT ipt DOT br</u><font color=3D"#000000"><br>&gt; =
DME/ASC =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Phone: =
55-11-268-3522 Ext.350<br>&gt; IPT - Instituto de Pesquisas Tecnologicas =
Fax: &nbsp;&nbsp;55-11-268-5996<br>&gt; Av. Prof. Almeida Prado, 532. =
&nbsp;Sao Paulo - SP 05508-901 BRAZIL<br>&gt; =
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