Message-Id: <199701211730.SAA17753@mailserv.caiw.nl> From: "Martijn" To: , "Cesar Scarpini Rabak" Subject: Re: Windows programming under DJGPP Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:28:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC07C8.EE63C1E0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC07C8.EE63C1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, A few commends of my own: About the tools you mentioned: - Help compilers aren't very hard to get - A resource compiler is included - The GUI-building tool. I agree, you need that. It wouldn't be too hard to make that I think. - Debugger. I think there's a debugger in rsxnt. I'm not sure though. Although I've just started with - with rsntdj, I don't think a debugger is a really must have. Is it worhwhile? I really don't know. It is how you view this, I think. For freeware or shareware author's who just want to write programs, I think this is a good alternative. It is certainly a LOT cheaper. But, if you want to write commercial programs, then you'd probably be better off, with a commercial compiler. Now, I haven't used rsxntdj a lot yet, and I am running into some problems, I do think rsxtnd can be used to create programs from scratch, once you have a GUI-building tool. In rsxnt is also included an IDE, so all in all it is a more or less complete package, for those who don't need full-blown and full-featured expensive compilers. Sincerely, martijn ---------- > From: Cesar Scarpini Rabak > To: Martijn ; djgpp AT delorie DOT com > Subject: Re: Windows programming under DJGPP > Date: dinsdag 21 januari 1997 20:47 > > At 11:09 21/01/97 GMT, Martijn wrote: > >You can create GUI applications just as easily with rsxntdj. But it is > >simply not complete. The code it creates is small and fast. > > > >Now....it would help if there was some documentation. > > > > Just my two cents. > I already pointed (in the old V1 days) that whereas (the now) rsxntdj > package __may__ even be used to create full 'native' windows apps, it will > be awkward doing so with it except if we add a few tools to it: > > A help authoring, compiler; > A resource compiler; > And nowadays a GUI builder tool (graphics oriented) to easy the > chores of putting the buttons, scrollbars and all the other objects in the > right places; > Last but not the least, a sort of debugger appropriate to the > windows environment. > > Otherwise, one can surely with a bit of work _port_ an app written for > windows and successfuly compile it with rsxntdj, but it would be really hard > to build anything other than trivial programs 'from scratch'. > > The really question I think is: is it worthwhile? Modern apps for windows > use also the M$ MFC which would have to be purchased anyway? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Cesar Scarpini Rabak E-mail: csrabak AT ipt DOT br > DME/ASC Phone: 55-11-268-3522 Ext.350 > IPT - Instituto de Pesquisas Tecnologicas Fax: 55-11-268-5996 > Av. Prof. Almeida Prado, 532. Sao Paulo - SP 05508-901 BRAZIL > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------=_NextPart_000_01BC07C8.EE63C1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

A few commends of my = own:
About the tools you mentioned:
- Help compilers aren't = very hard to get
- A resource compiler is included
- = The GUI-building tool. I agree, you need that. It wouldn't be too hard = to make that I think.
- Debugger. I think there's a debugger in = rsxnt. I'm not sure though. Although I've just started with
- = with rsntdj, I don't think a debugger is a really must have.

Is = it worhwhile? I really don't know. It is how you view this, I think. For = freeware or shareware author's who just want to write programs, I think = this is a good alternative. It is certainly a LOT cheaper. But, if you = want to write commercial programs, then you'd probably be better off, = with a commercial compiler. Now, I haven't used rsxntdj a lot yet, and I = am running into some problems, I do think rsxtnd can be used to create = programs from scratch, once you have a GUI-building tool. In rsxnt is = also included an IDE, so all in all it is a more or less complete = package, for those who don't need full-blown and full-featured expensive = compilers.

Sincerely,
martijn

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> From: = Cesar Scarpini Rabak <csrabak AT dce03 DOT ipt DOT br>
> To: Martijn <W DOT Kersbergen AT caiw DOT nl>; djgpp AT delorie DOT com
> Subject: Re: Windows programming under = DJGPP
> Date: dinsdag 21 januari 1997 20:47
>
> At = 11:09 21/01/97 GMT, Martijn wrote:
> >You can create GUI = applications just as easily with rsxntdj. But it is
> >simply = not complete. The code it creates is small and fast.
> = >
> >Now....it would help if there was some documentation. =
> >
>
> Just my two cents.
> I already = pointed (in the old V1 days) that whereas (the now) rsxntdj
> = package __may__ even be used to create full 'native' windows apps, it = will
> be awkward doing so with it except if we add a few tools to = it:
>
>         A = help authoring, compiler;
> =         A resource = compiler;
>         And = nowadays a GUI builder tool (graphics oriented) to easy the
> = chores of putting the buttons, scrollbars and all the other objects in = the
> right places;
> =         Last but not the least, = a sort of debugger appropriate to the
> windows = environment.
>
> Otherwise, one can surely with a bit of = work _port_ an app written for
> windows and successfuly compile = it with rsxntdj, but it would be really hard
> to build anything = other than trivial programs 'from scratch'.
>
> The really = question I think is: is it worthwhile? Modern apps for windows
> = use also the M$ MFC which would have to be purchased anyway?
> =
> = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Cesar Scarpini Rabak =             &= nbsp;        E-mail: csrabak AT ipt DOT br
> = DME/ASC =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         Phone: = 55-11-268-3522 Ext.350
> IPT - Instituto de Pesquisas Tecnologicas = Fax:   55-11-268-5996
> Av. Prof. Almeida Prado, 532. =  Sao Paulo - SP 05508-901 BRAZIL
> = ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

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