From:	Bryson Borg <borg AT whitelight DOT slithytoves DOT com>
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Subject:	Re: FreeWin95 Project
Date:	Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:16:08 -0400
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On 7 Apr 1997, Scott Nudds wrote:

> (John Adelsberger) wrote:
> : I can fit a nice Linux setup into less than 40 megs, and it will run
> : better than windoze on equivelent hardware.  With X it goes up to about
> : 80, but that's with a full C/C++ compiler set, an assembler, a whole
> : slew of editors, clients for every network service imaginable, a full
> : TCP/IP suite, and so on.
> 
>   What a shame you can't use the OS for anything.
> 
hmmm, i'm a medical student and the only time my computer doesn't run 
linux is late at night every now and then when i want to play warcraft to 
wind down.  i do reports using lyx (a WYSIWYG front-end to LaTeX)...if i 
want to i can do research in the library, telnet in to my home machine 
from the library's computers, and compose my work remotely--a virtual 
laptop wit no risk of theft...i can browse the internet with netscape, 
receive email from my POP3 account, and run my medical cdroms in ARDI's 
mac emulator.  i'm a normal human being, and end user, and i can be very 
productive using linux.  plus, its a lot of fun.  plus, when something 
goes wrong, i have the tools to fix it.  i've spent many hours with 
friends' ill-behaving win95 machines when, at my wit's end, all i could 
recommend was reformatting and re-installing the OS.  Micro$haft has done 
everything they could to create a "black box" because it increases 
usability by Joe Q. Public, and because it maximizes revenue (third party 
add-ons to help correct basic flaws in the OS yield licensing fees back 
to redmond).

of course, this is a liability with all commercial OSes.  i'm not too 
sure i would be happy using solaris x86 instead of win95.  from my 
viewpoint, my satisfaction with linux stems more from its open 
development model than it just being unix.

> 
> Scott Nudds:
> : :   Twice the size of my windows directory.
> 
> (John Adelsberger) wrote:
> : Which has no X, no gcc/g++, no assembler, no emacs, no TeX, no Ghostscript,
> : and so on.
> 
>   X is crap. C is crap, Emacs is crap, Tex is crap, Ghostscript is crap.

4000 years of western culture and this is what passes for an argument in 
today's culture?  you deserve microsoft.

>   In short, Unix is crap.  Hundreds of millions of Windows users have
> spoken.

in certain ages, the plague has been extremely popular, too.
> 
>   Oh, I don't know.  This machine has been on now for 12 hours without
> a problem.  I have yet to encounter a problem since installation.

hee hee.  12 hours?  hee hee.

really, i'm sorry that i have propagated this thread.  i've had bad 
experiences with windows, but maybe some people haven't, and i respect 
that.  i'm happy with linux, some people are happy with win95, some 
people are happy with MacOs (god bless 'em).  let's hope that there will 
always be options.  the only reason i have any personal dislike of 
microsoft is that they seem hell bent on running every other option out 
of town.  this would be a Bad Thing(tm)...just as it would be if all of a 
sudden coca-cola tried to eliminate pepsi and 7-up.


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