Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990421222133.007622b4@pop3.digibel.be> X-Sender: pascutto AT pop3 DOT digibel DOT be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:21:33 +0200 To: pgcc AT delorie DOT com From: Gian-Carlo Pascutto <GianCarlo DOT Pascutto AT advalvas DOT be> Subject: Re: Mailinglist misc. In-Reply-To: <19990421210306.D203@trib0026> References: <3 DOT 0 DOT 2 DOT 32 DOT 19990421165429 DOT 0075c4e0 AT pop3 DOT digibel DOT be> <3 DOT 0 DOT 2 DOT 32 DOT 19990419191513 DOT 009fe824 AT pop3 DOT digibel DOT be> <Pine DOT LNX DOT 4 DOT 10 DOT 9904191658340 DOT 301-100000 AT linux DOT stampede> <199904191432 DOT QAA31932 AT keksy DOT mchp DOT siemens DOT de> <Pine DOT LNX DOT 4 DOT 10 DOT 9904191658340 DOT 301-100000 AT linux DOT stampede> <19990419172945 DOT A11510 AT keksy DOT mchp DOT siemens DOT de> <3 DOT 0 DOT 2 DOT 32 DOT 19990419191513 DOT 009fe824 AT pop3 DOT digibel DOT be> <19990420231448 DOT A7088 AT trib0026> <3 DOT 0 DOT 2 DOT 32 DOT 19990421165429 DOT 0075c4e0 AT pop3 DOT digibel DOT be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id QAA30514 Reply-To: pgcc AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: pgcc AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk At 21:03 21/04/99 +0200, J. Teve�en wrote: >Gian-Carlo Pascutto (GianCarlo DOT Pascutto AT advalvas DOT be) schrieb: > >> 1) I mentioned (from memory): "if you are using free software >> and want support for it the least you can do is subscribe to >> the mailinglist" > >I don't think that sending a bug report is a "I want >you to support me" thing. No, but if you ask for help it is, IMHO. quote original message: "I am not on this list, so please cc me any response." I think the original author really wanted to get helped, and I don't blame him for that, but I do blame him for wanting the help privately mailed rather than openly discussed. >> Quote from original message/flame (not by me): >> Translated: >> If you've got something to say or need help then subscribe to the >> mailinglist. Otherwise shut up! > >"If you want to say something[...]" is the right translation, >if my English is right. Neither English nor German is my primary language so you're most likely right. > >> He may have put it a bit too blunt, but he WAS right. > >Again, I don't think that should apply to bugreports. >People reporting bugs usually don't want to discuss. In many cases >they not even want a reply from you stating whether this >actually *is* a (possibly known) bug or not. They want to >help you developing the project. "Shut up!" really isn't >the right thing to respond. You're absolutely right. But I don't consider a bugrep "wanting to say something" or needing "help". So the above didn't apply. A real bugrep doesn't need a reply. The programmer can look over it and say "been there, done that". And go on and actually fix stuff. Of all the "internal compiler error in haifa-sched", how much _real_ bugreps where there ? Not *that* much I think. >> 2) "The Post here read here" referred specifically to the idea of >> CC answers. > >I fully understand that. And in this context, it's probably >not a good idea to have the mailing list set as bugreport >contact address. Right. > >> 3) (Not sure about this one) >> Wasn't it mentioned on the homepage that the patch was severly broken? > >It first takes some bugreports before such a statement can be >put up, right? Yeah, but I doubt it takes *thirty* of them. Greetings, Gian-Carlo