X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to opendos-bounces using -f From: "Corey" To: opendos AT delorie DOT com Subject: RE: PNW vs Netware (and NE2000 drivers) Message-ID: Date: Tuesday, 11 Jan 2005 21:58:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Rex gateway (2.29) In-Reply-To: X-Fido-From: Corey, 1:0/0 X-Fido-To: da Silva, Joe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: opendos AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Originally to: da Silva, Joe yep, PNW is too old for any netware from the last decade. err, I have a 25 user netware 3.12 you can play with thou. only 22 floppy images too. or, if you really want to yank out all your hair, I can get you netware 5.1 or 6.0 to really drive you nuts. Corey+ > From: "da Silva, Joe" > > Sigh! > > Over the holidays I've started (contemplating;-) experimenting with > networking two (or more;-) of my PC's. DR-DOS 7.XX comes with > PNW, so this seemed like an obvious choice to use. > > Firstly, I established what I/O and IRQ resources were available > on these PC's, selecting I/O address 300h and IRQ 5 or IRQ 10 > as suitable for use by a network card. > > Secondly, I tried to identify what network cards I had and what > resouces they required (or could be configured to use). Initially, > I settled on a pair of SMC 8013EPC cards, until I realized they > would use up a 16K memory window, whereas I tend to make full > use of my UMB space for various DOS drivers and for EMS. Next, > I tried to identify a pair of old 8 bit Novell cards and a pair of (also > old) 16 bit Novell cards - AFAICT, these are NE1000 and NE2000 > cards, respectively (well, they don't have a recognizable model > number, but the NE1000 and NE2000 packet drivers are happy to > load with them and report their MAC address correctly). Although > these cards only support IRQ 2 through 5 (I'd have preferred to > use IRQ 10), they don't require a RAM window, so are ideal for > a DOS environment. Since I expect the 16 bit cards will have > better performance over the 8 bit cards, I settled for the (AFAICT) > NE2000 cards. > > Alas, when I tried to load the VLM ODI drivers (NE2000.COM is > 1996/04/01 vintage), I got the error message : > "The hardware configuration conflicts" > > The same vintage NE1000.COM driver, using the same hardware > configuration (different card of course, same settings), loads > without any such error message. > > Next, I tried installing the Client32 for DOS (version 2.71) drivers > with the NE2000 cards. Seemed OK, no such error message. > > Well, it seems very strange to me that Novell's VLM ODI NE2000 > driver isn't compatible with their own NE2000 card, yet that's what > the above suggests to me! :-( > > Since the Client32 NE2000 driver seems happy with the 16 bit > Novell cards, I though perhaps this would be a suitable (actually, > preferred, because it loads in XMS, leaving more free conventional > memory) driver to use with PNW. However, the posting below, > and other stuff I can find on the Internet, suggests these are not > compatible (also, I don't know if the Client32 stuff can perform > server-type functions for peer-to-peer networking). :-( > > So, > > 1) Can anyone confirm (or otherwise) that Novell's VLM ODI NE2000 > driver is broken, when using an original (early 90's) Novell card? > > 2) Have I correctly interpreted Ben's posting, which to me says that > the Client32 drivers are incompatible with PNW? > > Joe. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben A L Jemmett [SMTP:ben DOT jemmett AT ukonline DOT co DOT uk] > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:34 PM > > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com > > Subject: Re: File transfer util in DR-DOS? [PNW vs Netware] > > > ---------- snip ---------- > > > > I not in a position to do any heroic hardware upgrades on the machines, > > but > > > I do have an old 10-T hub which also has a coax port, and I was going to > > > plug the network cable from one of the computers into this, along with a > > > laptop. I'm hoping that will get me on the network. Once I am, will a > > > Netware client on the laptop be able to see the Personal Netware server > > and > > > log on for file sharing? > > > > The old VLM client for DOS is the only one that will access a Personal > > NetWare > > server. At a protocol level, PNW and NetWare itself are incompatible, so > > the > > other Novell clients won't talk to PNW. I'm not sure if the Macintosh > > client > > will talk to PNW, since that's nothing to do with Novell these days, but I > > doubt it'll work. At a transport level, Personal NetWare uses IPX. > > > > Regards, > > Ben A L Jemmett. > > (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------ > This email (including any attachment) is confidential. 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