X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to opendos-bounces using -f Message-ID: From: "da Silva, Joe" To: "'opendos AT delorie DOT com'" Subject: RE: PNW vs Netware (and NE2000 drivers) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:15:24 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by delorie.com id j0A8Qb1f006513 Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com Sigh! Over the holidays I've started (contemplating;-) experimenting with networking two (or more;-) of my PC's. DR-DOS 7.XX comes with PNW, so this seemed like an obvious choice to use. Firstly, I established what I/O and IRQ resources were available on these PC's, selecting I/O address 300h and IRQ 5 or IRQ 10 as suitable for use by a network card. Secondly, I tried to identify what network cards I had and what resouces they required (or could be configured to use). Initially, I settled on a pair of SMC 8013EPC cards, until I realized they would use up a 16K memory window, whereas I tend to make full use of my UMB space for various DOS drivers and for EMS. Next, I tried to identify a pair of old 8 bit Novell cards and a pair of (also old) 16 bit Novell cards - AFAICT, these are NE1000 and NE2000 cards, respectively (well, they don't have a recognizable model number, but the NE1000 and NE2000 packet drivers are happy to load with them and report their MAC address correctly). Although these cards only support IRQ 2 through 5 (I'd have preferred to use IRQ 10), they don't require a RAM window, so are ideal for a DOS environment. Since I expect the 16 bit cards will have better performance over the 8 bit cards, I settled for the (AFAICT) NE2000 cards. Alas, when I tried to load the VLM ODI drivers (NE2000.COM is 1996/04/01 vintage), I got the error message : "The hardware configuration conflicts" The same vintage NE1000.COM driver, using the same hardware configuration (different card of course, same settings), loads without any such error message. Next, I tried installing the Client32 for DOS (version 2.71) drivers with the NE2000 cards. Seemed OK, no such error message. Well, it seems very strange to me that Novell's VLM ODI NE2000 driver isn't compatible with their own NE2000 card, yet that's what the above suggests to me! :-( Since the Client32 NE2000 driver seems happy with the 16 bit Novell cards, I though perhaps this would be a suitable (actually, preferred, because it loads in XMS, leaving more free conventional memory) driver to use with PNW. However, the posting below, and other stuff I can find on the Internet, suggests these are not compatible (also, I don't know if the Client32 stuff can perform server-type functions for peer-to-peer networking). :-( So, 1) Can anyone confirm (or otherwise) that Novell's VLM ODI NE2000 driver is broken, when using an original (early 90's) Novell card? 2) Have I correctly interpreted Ben's posting, which to me says that the Client32 drivers are incompatible with PNW? Joe. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben A L Jemmett [SMTP:ben DOT jemmett AT ukonline DOT co DOT uk] > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:34 PM > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com > Subject: Re: File transfer util in DR-DOS? [PNW vs Netware] > ---------- snip ---------- > > I not in a position to do any heroic hardware upgrades on the machines, > but > > I do have an old 10-T hub which also has a coax port, and I was going to > > plug the network cable from one of the computers into this, along with a > > laptop. I'm hoping that will get me on the network. Once I am, will a > > Netware client on the laptop be able to see the Personal Netware server > and > > log on for file sharing? > > The old VLM client for DOS is the only one that will access a Personal > NetWare > server. At a protocol level, PNW and NetWare itself are incompatible, so > the > other Novell clients won't talk to PNW. I'm not sure if the Macintosh > client > will talk to PNW, since that's nothing to do with Novell these days, but I > doubt it'll work. At a transport level, Personal NetWare uses IPX. > > Regards, > Ben A L Jemmett. > (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email (including any attachment) is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use this email or the information contained herein for any purpose. 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