X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to opendos-bounces using -f Message-ID: <01FD6EC775C6D4119CDF0090273F74A4FD6C78@emwatent02.meters.com.au> From: "da Silva, Joe" To: "'opendos AT delorie DOT com'" Subject: RE: several technical problems [memory] Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:58:35 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com Please see below ... Joe. > -----Original Message----- > From: DONALD PEDDER [SMTP:jims_son AT jedi DOT apana DOT org DOT au] > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 2:11 PM > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com > Subject: Re: several technical problems > > Well, my message didn't make it through before because... > > > Please edit out the PC-DOS graphics characters. They make it look too > > much like asian spam. > > ...so here we go again. :-) > > > > If you still have Windows installed, you might be able to get rid of it > > by right-clicking on the Recycle Bin and clicking Properties, selecting > > "Configure drives independently" then tick the "Do not move files to the > > Recycle Bin" box on the tab corresponding to the partition in question. > > I did that (even though I never delete anything on that partition when > I'm in Windows), and then when I also did... > [Joe da Silva] Well, if you configure a different drive/partition to hold the "Recycle Bin", it is safe to delete stuff from Windoze. It is _not_ safe to delete stuff from DR-DOS if there is any LFN stuff about (LFN support was never fully debugged unfortunately). > > The easiest way to correct this problem is to run MS ScanDisk; > > It gave me the option of deleting the recycled directory. :-) I did > that, and my problem was resolved. > > > > Could you tell us more about 'this computer' (CPU, mainboard, BIOS, > > memory, add-on cards, etc.)? > > Uh, I can try. :-) The CPU is a Celeron 466MHz, my system-board is > "PC100 slot 1/socket 370 M741lmrt", AMIBIOS, memory is 64Mb, > sound-cards,etc. are built-in to the system-board. > > > > What is the GREEN command in your AUTOEXEC? > > It's just a little pascal program that sets my text-colour to green. > Unfortunately, as soon as I use an app (like the editor) it reverts to > white again. I've still not yet found out how to permanently set it to > green. > > > > Please try (1) with HIMEM.SYS instead of EMM386; (2) with EMM386, but > > without NWCDEX. > > Using HIMEM.SYS worked, but there's still one bug. I can swap sessions > okay with multiple editors open, but if I am logged on and swap from that > session it hangs up the modem. :-( If I can sort out my memory shortage > though then it's not a problem. > > > > Could you redirect the output of MEM /A to a file (MEM /A > MEM.LST) and > > post it to the list? > > Asian-spam looking stuff deleted. :-) > > Address Name Size Type > 0:0000 -------- A0000h, 655,360 ------------- RAM ----- > 0:0000 -------- 400h, 1,024 Interrupt vectors > 40:0000 -------- 100h, 256 ROM BIOS data area > 50:0000 DOS 200h, 512 DOS data area > 70:0000 BIOS 900h, 2,304 Device drivers > 70:0023 CON System device driver > 70:0035 AUX System device driver > 70:0047 PRN System device driver > 70:0059 CLOCK$ System device driver > 70:006B COM1 System device driver > 70:007D COM2 System device driver > 70:008F COM3 System device driver > 70:00A1 COM4 System device driver > 70:00C7 LPT1 System device driver > 70:00D9 LPT2 System device driver > 70:00EB LPT3 System device driver > 70:016E A:-F: System device driver > 100:0000 DOS 1400h, 5,120 System > 100:0048 NUL System device driver > 100:00CC DOS 10Fh, 271 HANDLES=3D, FCBS=3D 5 total > blocks > 240:0000 DOS 6B30h, 27,440 System > 242:0000 DOS A5h, 165 HANDLES=, FCBS= 3 total blocks > 24F:0000 EMMQXXX0 2F0h, 752 DEVICE installed device driver > 27F:0000 DPMSXXX0 630h, 1,584 DEVICE = installed device driver > 2E3:0000 SETVERXX 1F0h, 496 DEVICE = installed device driver > =B3 > 303:0000 MSCD000 5240h, 21,056 DEVICE = installed device driver > =B3 > 828:0000 DOS 98Ch, 2,444 HANDLES=, FCBS= 46 total blocks > =B3 > 8F3:0000 COMMAND 1F0h, 496 Program > 912:0000 COMMAND 210h, 528 Environment > 933:0000 TASKMGR 140h, 320 Data > 947:0000 NWCDEX E0h, 224 Environment > 955:0000 NWCDEX 1C50h, 7,248 Program > B1A:0000 TASKMGR E0h, 224 Environment > B28:0000 TASKMGR 2A0h, 672 Program > B52:0000 COMMAND 140h, 320 Data > B66:0000 BITCOM E0h, 224 Environment > B74:0000 BITCOM 49C10h, 302,096 Program > 5535:0000 COMMAND E0h, 224 Data > 5543:0000 COMMAND 1F0h, 496 Program > 5562:0000 COMMAND 210h, 528 Environment > 5583:0000 MEM E0h, 224 Environment > 5591:0000 MEM 15C20h, 89,120 Program > 6B53:0000 -------- 346C0h, 214,720 FREE > 9FBF:0000 DOS 28410h, 164,880 System > 9FC0:0000 -------- 400h, 1,024 Extended ROM BIOS data area > C000:0000 -------- 8000h, 32,768 ------------- ROM ----- > C800:0000 -------- 24000h, 147,456 ---------- Upper RAM -- > C800:0000 EMM386 340h, 832 XMS Upper Memory Block > C834:0000 DOS D50h, 3,408 System > C909:0000 NWCACHE 15C0h, 5,568 XMS Upper Memory Block > CA65:0000 NWCACHE 4010h, 16,400 XMS Upper Memory Block > CE66:0000 DRMOUSE 1990h, 6,544 Program > CFFF:0000 TASKMGR 3960h, 14,688 XMS Upper Memory Block > D395:0000 COMMAND 2090h, 8,336 Data > D59E:0000 -------- 16620h, 91,680 FREE > EC00:0000 -------- 4000h, 16,384 ------------- ROM ----- > F800:0000 -------- 1000h, 4,096 ---------- Shadow ROM - > FFFF:00E0 COMMAND 2080h, 8,320 Program > FFFF:2240 DOS F70h, 3,952 DOS BIOS code > FFFF:31B0 DOS 7280h, 29,312 DOS kernel code > FFFF:A430 DOS 1F2Ch, 7,980 BUFFERS= 15 disk buffers > FFFF:C35C -------- D37h, 3,383 FREE > FFFF:EE96 SHARE 115Ah, 4,442 Program > > Memory Type Total Bytes ( Kbytes ) Available For Programs > Conventional 654,336 ( 639K ) 304,064 ( 297K ) > Upper 147,456 ( 144K ) 91,680 ( 90K ) > High 65,520 ( 64K ) 3,383 ( 3K ) > Extended 57,606,144 ( 56,256K ) 0 ( 0K ) > Extended via XMS -------- 48,076,800 ( 46,950K ) > Largest executable program: 304,048 ( 297K ) > Total Free DOS memory: 395,744 ( 386K ) > > > This looks very handy. :-) This says I have 46Mb available via XMS - > how do I make the programs use that? Also, for something that terminates > without staying resident, how would I find out how much memory it is > using? > [Joe da Silva] Well, as others have pointed out, that's not easy. However, you can find out how much they need (_before_ allocating extra stuff, if any), using a utility called "minload", available somewhere on Simtel.Net. > > Please tell us more about your system configuration. > > Like? I'm not really into the technical side, so if you want to find > something out you need to tell me what commands to run or where I'm > looking. e.g. I had never used the mem command until just now. > > > > There is at least a few experienced TASKMGR users on the list, and I > > hope you'll finally get multitasking to work. > > It's working okay now, other than the hanging up the modem issue. I had > it running on an older computer (might've also been an older version), so > it's frustrating that when I "upgrade" it's not working properly anymore > (however, I encounter this all the time at work - every single "upgrade" > we have ever had has made life more difficult in fact). > [Joe da Silva] You can use the command "AT&D0" to tell the modem to ignore DTR (just add "&D0" to its initialization string). As someone else mentioned, that's probably what's causing this problem for you. > > Remember, as far as anything running in *any* DOS is concerned, you > > hsave no more than 640k of RAM (768 if you play certain games). > > I didn't think that would be an issue, but having done "mem /a" now, I > can see that I've already used up half my (640k) memory. I guess I need to > do some fine-tuning of my memory usage? > > > > Well, you should move any files you need to another directory, then > > remove the hidden attribute (use the attrib command) and then remove the > > directory. > > I went into the recycled directory and did "attrib -h *.*", but it > didn't find anything. I then went back to the root directory and did > "attrib -h recycled" and it tells me "file not found". > So, I wasn't able to clear it in DOS, but the Windows approach worked. > > Is there a DOS utility I can run which'll make sure I don't have any > LFN's hanging around on the disk? I want to keep it clean so that I can > run delwatch/diskopt on it. > > > thanks, > DONALD. > > E-mail - donaldp AT au DOT mensa DOT org > BIG DON's Home-page - http://jedi.apana.org.au/~jims_son > Pedder Passer Rating - http://jedi.apana.org.au/~jims_son/PPR > AusNFL mailing-list - http://jedi.apana.org.au/mailman/listinfo/ausnfl > > "What I always wanted is to be accepted, not understood" - MAN RAY > ------- End of forwarded message -------