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Gary Welles wrote:
> 
> Day Brown writes:
> 
> > . . . since I moved to where none of the isps will logon with dos . . .
> 
> Most dialup ISPs offer only CHAP login. 
...
> with more secure CHAP login.  If you dial your present ISP with a
> terminal application, it's likely you'll see a UUnet prompt such
> as this:
> 
>      UQKT2 tnt54.nyc3.da.uu.net
> 
>      Login:
Nope. What I see is:
%ascend%
then it asks for the system administrator password.

 
> They don't advertise for individual accounts in the US, but you
> can get them starting at $7.95, now under the MCI brand.  Details
> at:  URL=https://customercenter.mci.com/
That's encouraging, however I live in a rural area of the Ozarks.
There are three local ISP choices, no other options.
> 
> > Is there an effort to port xwindows or some kind of API to dos so that
> > it could run the win 3/os2 versions of opera or mozilla? Maybe in on a
> > 32bit drive?
> 
> X-Window is os independent.  Although normally seen on Unixes,
> DESQview/X is a DOS X-server with DESQview providing the
> multitasking DOS lacks and a private interface to QEMM providing
> the flat 32 memory model.
> 
> DJGPP ports of Unix X-Window apps to DOS DV/X are straight
> forward.  I can get very tedious converting Unix to DOS 8.3 file
> names or if you have to write DESQview API calls to replace Unix
> multitasking functions such as fork().
> 
> With the decline of DOS applications, it makes more sense to work
> DOS apps from Unix or Linux rather than porting major X apps to
> DOS DV/X.
> 
> See for DV/X details:
> 
>      URL=http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bmm/dvx.html
> 
> For a copy of DV/X:
> 
>      URL=http://www.chsoft.com/dv.html
Appreciate the links. Looks like it deserves more time than I have at
the moment. However, why cant a batch program perform the tedeious
conversion?

I find the whole idea intreguing. That you can dos loaded and running,
and if that works, load QEMM, or use a batch call with the necessary
changes.. but then call
netscape 3.0? One of the reasons I'm interested is that I already get
notes that
the 4.7 I'm using right now (via COREL debian 2.2.16) is so ancient that
some pages
ask me to update it. But- when I try that, I see that that Nescape 7,
the recommended update, needs other dependancies I dont have.

I been down that road before, the app tells me I need GLIB2... and when
I get that, it tells me that I need GCC... and on down the dependancy
garden path to...

No wonder they sell new Linux install CDs with all the packages selected
that run on a give set of 'dependancies'...

One of the reasons I liked dos, was that if I downloaded a dos program,
and it didnt run, I just blew it off and maybe tried something else.
Nothing ever messed around with CONFIG.SYS in such a way I could not
undo it.