X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mailnull set sender to opendos-bounces using -f Message-ID: <000001c1cf81$f06890c0$c03dfea9@atlantis> From: "Matthias Paul" To: References: <200203182237 DOT g2IMbse09616 AT delorie DOT com> <20020318174332 DOT 3040122b DOT burke6337 AT yahoo DOT com> <002901c1cf1a$d162d8a0$5beeadc3 AT pe1biv> Subject: Re: Novell DOS 7.0 and Re: SPAM Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:53 +0100 Organization: University of Technology, RWTH Aachen, Germany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id g2JKBDa23623 Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com On 2002-03-19, "Angela" wrote: > Maybe there is someone on this list that can tell me if there is > a patch for Novell DOS 7.0, as I am sure it has some Y2K problem > that shows itselfs as often not having the date advance. The RTC > advances, but as DOS uses it's own counter to calculate the day, > as it needed to do in the Stone Age, the RTC is only used to set > the time and date for DOS as it starts. The counter neatly advances > through the day, but then forgets to increment the day-counter at > 00:00 hour. There is no patch for Novell DOS 7, but I am not aware of any real Y2K problems in Novell DOS, except for missing special treatment of two digit years, but this is only a cosmetical issue, no problem in the date advancing code. Most Y2K bugs are usually buried in the RTC hardware or the ROM-BIOS code, not in the DOS kernel, and all that DOS can do to work around them is install a special filter on top of the corresponding INT 15h functions. This was implemented with DR-DOS 7.02+ and (in a quite different way) in PC DOS 2000. However, this code does not correct a bug in DOS, but one in the BIOS, and you can achieve the same by installing an external Y2K driver, which are available for free from many places. If you tell me which *specific* counter you mean exactly (there are several), I could give you a more definite answer, as I have the sources here. Is anyone else observing Y2K bugs in Novell DOS? > I did look to DR-DOS 7.03, however it seems I can not get an > update, but only a full pack of 5 or 10 users.... Well, I am > not planning to buy a 5-user pack as I only need 1 (or 2 if > I would replace MacroSof DOS). Maybe I just should move to PC-DOS. Of course, PC DOS 2000 is available from IBM as a retail product, and it is a good and reliable product, definitely much better than MS-DOS 6.22. However, it lacks many of the more advanced features found in DR-DOS... And if you want to replace Microsoft DOS, as you write, PC DOS is no option, as it is based on MS-DOS as well. At least recently, you could still buy DR-DOS in single quantity from Caldera (not Lineo) and LinuxLand (Germany), please have a look there. However, as far as I have been told from various sources, DR-DOS 7.03 is meanwhile free for personal non-profit use. I have got the impression that Lineo makes a case-by-case decision when being approached by non-profit or educational organizations, and I suggest you simply contact and ask them - and report back here so we all get a better picture. Otherwise, you´re right, Lineo *sells* DR-DOS only in quantities five and up. You can also go out and search for a book "DR-DOS Complete", which includes either DR-DOS 7.02 or 7.03 as well. If you compare the price for DR-DOS 7.03 with a single PC DOS 2000 license, even a five user license might not be /that/ bad, at least if you need two licenses. > Well, I have the idea that getting of this OpenDOS list is the > only way of getting rid of the only thing I have seen so far on > this list; SPAM. Nice that Delorie promotes this list as > "antispam"..... Then you have not been around here for a very long time. So, welcome! :-) In the past more than five years of existance of this mailing list, we´ve had only a few occasions of SPAM in this list (maybe 30 in total?) and if you search the backlogs of this list (many many megabytes of worth!) you´ll find that we have had many very high level discussions taking place inhere, although the list is rather silent these days. Nonetheless, I too would like to see a better SPAM filter as SPAM as increased recently. But mind that this list is ran by DJ Delorie´s personal resources, and we should be very thankful that he managed to make this a reliable place for DR-DOS related discussions over all these years. Greetings, Matthias BTW. What´s your full name, please? We prefer full names in this forum... -- ; http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs180/mpdokeng.html; http://mpaul.drdos.org