Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:09:45 -0500 (EST) From: M Ross Subject: RE: DOS v. Windooozz To: opendos AT delorie DOT com In-Reply-To: <01FD6EC775C6D4119CDF0090273F74A4021F88@emwatent02.meters.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: opendos AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Thanks, I say anybody can use DOS, certainly with a little help to create DOS menus with batch programing. But still, my comments were only based on this message base, to discuss DOS, not who is able to use it. I assumed this to be a technical message base on DOS, Open or DR or related. The Best To You & Your's, Ross ARR ico p046715b AT pb DOT seflin DOT org On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, da Silva, Joe wrote: > This is crap. Well, at least in part ... > > Mere mortals would NEVER be able to get by with Windoze, > if not for people like us "holding their hand" and "replacing > panes of glass" (Windoze is fragile!!!) for them! > > Mere mortals are just as capable of using DOS as Windoze, > particularly with any of a number of menu programs, etc. > Just give them some motivation, like a game, and watch > how quickly they pick it up!!! They have merely been mislead > by Gates into thinking they have ANY chance of coping with > this Windoze crap by themselves. I still remember the > disgraceful Windoze ads where an oldish secretary, returning > to work after a 5 year break, and never having touched a > computer before, goes for a job interview. While left alone > for a few minutes, she accidentally touches the mouse, > starts experimenting, and within a few minutes is creating > spreadsheets and graphs and the like! What complete, utter, > unmitigated crap!!! This is the sort of total misrepresentation > that Gates used to convince the public and company > executives (who are quite computer illiterate, yet make all > the decisions on IT policy!) that with Windoze, anybody > can use a computer! Total BS!!! ... > > There, I feel better now! ... > > I for one, don't "Use Windoze but dabble in DOS" ... rather > I use Windoze only out of necessity - for most things I prefer > DOS - it's cleaner, more efficient, and more transparent! > > Joe. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas Webb [SMTP:tawebb AT earthlink DOT net] > > Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2001 5:36 > > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com > > Subject: Re: DOS v. Windooozz > > > > Windoze was the natural result of a need to "dumb down" computer use so > > that mere mortals could get the benefits. We have Apple and MicroSoft to > > thank for the massive growth in the microcomputer industry. Without the > > "consumerization" of the technology, we would still be running CP/M on > > $8000 8-bit machines. (I was there, and believe me, those were not the > > "good old days") > > > > If you want better tools, they are out there in the form of all the > > flavors of unix, DR-DOS and the like. The reason Windoze has a virtual > > lock on the world is that it is ->MARKETED<- big time and is > > shrinkwrapped in an attractive package. Windoze is a perfect example of > > the victory of style and cosmetics over content, but it and systems like > > it will live forever because most of the buying population buys style > > and content, not substance. Personally, I can't afford the time spent in > > keeping MicroSoft stuff running cleanly. I use Linux/Xwindows with > > StarOffice and it is bulletproof on an old Pentium 133. DR-DOS and > > Arachne are a great combination for 486 and older machines, and Arachne > > gives you a gui desktop for launching other DOS applications. We are > > using DR-DOS and Arachne as the default platform for computers we run > > through the recycling operation, and have had excellent luck with it. > > > > The sense I am getting from this thread is that there are a lot of > > people running Windoze that are dabbling in DOS, but staying firmly > > entrenched in Windoze. My own experience has been that your experience > > would be much more pleasant and enriching if you would get an old > > clunker 486 for $25-$50 and put DR-DOS on it by itself. Bill G never has > > played well with the other kids, and there's little reason to believe he > > ever will. > > > > -- > > Tom Webb > > Come visit at http://wordwonder.com >