Message-ID: <01FD6EC775C6D4119CDF0090273F74A4021F4D@emwatent02.meters.com.au> From: "da Silva, Joe" To: "'opendos AT delorie DOT com'" Subject: RE: DR-MOUSE, DPMS (was Hard Disk 20gb and dos) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:24:29 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com See below ... Joe. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Moran [SMTP:pmoran22 AT yahoo DOT com] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2001 11:18 > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com > Subject: Re: DR-MOUSE, DPMS (was Hard Disk 20gb and dos) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "da Silva, Joe" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:07 PM > Subject: RE: DR-MOUSE, DPMS (was Hard Disk 20gb and dos) > > > > The best way to load DRMOUSE is to *not* try to load it > > high. Install (run) it in conventional (lower) memory and it > > will load it's resident portion high, all by it's clever little self. > > That way, you just need about 7K (IIRC) free in the HMA > > to load it high, nothing extra for the initialization code ... > > Actually, I don't use any LOADHIGH, HILOAD, or LH in any of the DRDOS > TSRs/Drivers. I let them all do their own thing. But you made a slight > mistake there, DRDOS DRMOUSE does not load into HMA, it loads into upper > memory. > [da Silva, Joe] Oops! You're quite right - I should have said UMB, not HMA. This Intel cr*p is a right confusing mess, isn't it?! :-/ Incidentally, I mentioned the above because you seemed to be saying you used QEMM to load DRMOUSE, so I thought you meant QEMM's equivalent to 'LH' ... > Oooops, I'll take that back a little. I do not normally load DRMOUSE. If > I want it loaded, I just type DRMOUSE and let it load EXECPT when I use > Task Manager and intend to use the modem for communications. In that > case I force it to load low in each window that I wish to use it, and > then unload it before ending a task using it. This is not just a problem > unique to DRMOUSE. I have yet to find any mouse driver that can be > loaded high and not mess with the communications of the modem when I > switch that task to the background. It just halts the data flow. > [da Silva, Joe] Don't know about that ... I never did get multitasking to work properly, so I never had this problem ... :-/ > Also I will firce some things to load low when using Personal Netware to > get the most use of upper memory. I let VLM do it's thing but paly with > the rest such as LSL.COM. The DRDOS memory manager is not too > intelligent (like QEMM is) and I have to play around with the small > drivers and TSRs to get the best results when using the server. The > client does not take that much. However, DRDOS memory manager is a lot > smarter than MSDOS's. > [da Silva, Joe] Why not use Novell's 32 bit drivers, instead? They load into extended memory, so you can load lots more goodies into the UMB ... > > Given that DPMS has been mentioned a few times > > recently (wrt. NWCACHE and NWCDEX), it reminds me > > that we have not come to a conclusion about the > > following (discussed several weeks ago) : > > > > 1. We established that the versions of DPMS.EXE that > > could be freely distributed with client programs were > > the OpenDOS 7.01 and the Novell DOS versions. So, > > which is the best of these two versions to use? > > Did anyone actually contact Lineo about this? Since it is not a major > upgrade, I don't see how they can change Novell's policy on this. They > would have had to purchase the license intact and since Novell made it > freely available to anyone, I don't see how Caldera/Lineo can/could > change it. If it were version 7.1 or something, maybe they could. > [da Silva, Joe] Yes ... well I have always been disappointed by Caldera/Lineo. They have certainly never lived up to their initial indications about where they would take DR-DOS! Remember how the whole source was going to be available? Remember the TCP/IP stack, web browser, LFN and FAT32 support that was promised? IMHO, Caldera/Lineo's only real interest in DR-DOS was to have something with which to sue Micro$oft. Evidence : Day 1 - Caldera acquires DR-DOS. Day 2 - Caldera files it's suit against Micro$oft. Day N - Caldera and Micro$oft settle. Day N+1 - Cladera virtually stops DR-DOS development. > > 2. Is there any problem (ie. bug) that we need to be > > aware of, for whichever is the best version selected > > above? (Sure - we ourselves would normally use a > > later version (eg. from DR-DOS 7.02+/7.03), but > > these cannot be freely distributed ...) > > I am not aware of any differences or bugs with any version. In fact I > don't even know if any code has been changed other than Novell's > updates, if there were any. I would have to look at the updated files > and see if it is there. I don't recall ever replacing it. There probably > is no difference from 7.00 and 7.01. Basically all 7.01 is, is Novell > DOS 7.0 with all the upgrades and new updated kernel files. I don't > think the even changed the copyright on the rest of the files. There may > have been a couple of other changes, but I cannot recall the dates and > details as to which was changed and when, but somewhere between Novell > 7.0 original release and before 7.02, there were changes in NWCDEX. As I > recall this was in update 14. The update was supposed to make it work > with Terminate, but I never did get it to work with Terminate. > Terminate has a hotkey (ALT-F10 as I recall) to play audio CD's while > you were downloading files or idle in some other way. I never could get > it to work with my SCSI CDROM. People who had IDE CDROMs reported that > it worked. I am pretty certain that was in update 14. > > There was also an update for 7.02 to 7.03, I don't know if that version > of DPMS is 7.02 or 7.03 or inbetween. I have all of these files stored > on tape. I don't have any of the updates before 14, as each update > contained all the files from previous updates except of course for files > that were again updated such as the kernel files. > > Pat > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com