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From: "Patrick Moran" <pmoran22 AT yahoo DOT com>
To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
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Subject: Re: Fonts & VCPI (was BASIC & EMS, nee Optimizing CONFIG.SYS...)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:03:48 -0700
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I cannot select any fonts in text mode, priod.

OE is a piece of crap.

If I swirch to RTF and select Courier after I have written it in text, it
still does not come out right. Even if I do get everything right, when I
save the file to send it, it changes everyting around, even just  The format
looks terrible after a message is saved. It is a piece of crap.

I have NO format capability of any kind in text mode. I cannot set the line
length, I cannot set the word wrap, I cannot even tell this piece of crap
not to use double and tripple quotes, etc. I cannot tell it to do jack in
text mode. It is a piece of crap.

If I write something in a REAL TEXT EDITOR and import it into OE, and
everything looks great, when I save it and look at it again, it looks like
crap!

I do not know how much more plainly, I can state it. I cannot do jack with
OE in text mode.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Da Silva, Joe" <Joe DOT DaSilva AT emailmetering DOT com>
To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:24 AM
Subject: RE: Fonts & VCPI (was BASIC & EMS, nee Optimizing CONFIG.SYS...)


> OK, let's try to clarify this ... IF you use OE, and IF this uses the same
> fonts as O, THEN you (or other readers) can view the included diagram,
> using any of those fonts I mentioned, and see the diagram correctly. RTF
> was never mentioned and has nothing to do with it. Indeed, I would expect
> that font selection would be automatic if RTF were involved (not sure
about
> this though - never touch the stuff! ;-), so what I stated applies to TEXT
> e-mail, and was for the benefit of any O/OE readers.
>
> As for DV, I'm afraid I've never used it, so I'll leave it to others to
tell
> us if
> there are any issues between it and the VCPI implementation in Novell 7.
>
> Joe.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Patrick Moran [SMTP:pmoran22 AT yahoo DOT com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2000 22:05
> > To: opendos AT delorie DOT com
> > Subject: Re: Fonts & VCPI (was BASIC & EMS, nee Optimizing
> > CONFIG.SYS...)
> >
> > Fonts in text mode????
> >
> > I have no fonts in text mode. The people here do not want RTF.
> >
> >
> > Have you tried DV with DRDOS VCPI with the latest verion of DRDOS?
> > According
> > to Quterdeck, Novell DOS 7 VCPI doesn't work very good with it.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Da Silva, Joe" <Joe DOT DaSilva AT emailmetering DOT com>
> > To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: Fonts & VCPI (was BASIC & EMS, nee Optimizing
CONFIG.SYS...)
> >
> >
> >
> > > > with the two 16 bit program pointers. I hate having to use text to
do
> > > > this.
> > > >  HTML is so much better.
> > > >
> > > > Well I tried, and this piece of crap OE is just that a piece of crap
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > fif what I expected. It looks great untin I save it. Then I looked
at
> > it
> > > > again before I sebt it. I could not make heads or tails of the
diagram
> > I
> > > > originally typed into the message. So I went to DOS and did it in a
> > REAL
> > > > text editor. I'll now try and import the text file. The last time I
> > did
> > > > that, the stupid piece of crap OE made FOUR copies of it! What a
piece
> > of
> > > > crap, the only editor I have ever worked with that was a worse piece
> > of
> > > > crap
> > > > was EDLIN! If it does not work, I'll just leave it the way it comes
> > out
> > so
> > > > everyone can see what a piece of crap OE is and attach a small text
> > file
> > > > that works right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >                       15                Offset               0
> > > >                        |-------------------------------------|
> > > >                        |             Base Pointer            |
> > > >                        |------------------|------------------|
> > > >                        |                  |                  |
> > > >                        |                  |      Appended    |
> > > >        15              |                  |  0<----zeros---->|
> > > >         |---------------------------------|------------------|
> > > >         |    Segment Register             |  | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
> > > >         |---------------------------------|------------------|
> > > >        19                      ^          |         ^        0
> > > >         |                      |          |         |        |
> > > >         |                      |----|-----|---------|        |
> > > >         |                           |     |                  |
> > > >         |                           |     |                  |
> > > >         |                        |--|-----|-----|            |
> > > >         |                        |     Adder    |            |
> > > >         |                        |------|-------|            |
> > > >         |                               |                    |
> > > >         |                               |                    |
> > > >        19                               |                    0
> > > >         |-------------------------------|--------------------|
> > > >         |                  A19-A0  Address bits              |
> > > >         |----------------------------------------------------|
> > > >                               20 bit address
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The lower 4 bits of the Segment register is hardwaied to zeros
inside
> > the
> > > > chip. the adder is where we need to look to see how the quirks
occur.
> > If
> > > > you
> > > > look at the above diagram, (probably won't come out worth a crap
using
> > > > text)
> > > >
> > > [da Silva, Joe]
> > >
> > > OK, I'll simply assume that Outlook Express uses the same
> > > fonts as Outlook ... in which case the above diagram is displayed
> > > correctly if you choose any of the following fonts :
> > >
> > > - Courier
> > > - Fixedsys
> > > - Terminal
> > >
> > > ----- snip -----
> > >
> > > > > These allowed programs to access extended memory "behind the back"
> > of
> > > > > DOS.  Two standards developed for accessing protected mode:
> > > > >
> > > > > * VCPI (the Virtual Control Program Interface)
> > > > > * DPMI (the DOS Protected Mode Interface)
> > > > >
> > > > > Because the latter had the marketing clout of MS behind it , it
has
> > > > > become the more common standard.  It is used by MS Windows, among
> > other
> > > > > programs.
> > > >
> > > > Yes just like everything else Gates does he made it incompatible
with
> > > > Quaterdeck's VCPI which was developed first. BTW If you look at
memory
> > > > with
> > > > a good memory program, it will show that DRDOS also uses VCPI. I
have
> > not
> > > > checked to see if it is there without DPMI turned on, but as I
> > understand
> > > > it
> > > >
> > > [da Silva, Joe]
> > >
> > > Yes, VCPI is definitely provided by DR-DOS's EMM386 when DPMI
> > > is turned off (that's the way I configure it ... for various
> > > reasons).
> >
> >
> >
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