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From: "Patrick Moran" <pmoran22 AT yahoo DOT com>
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Subject: Re: A little history
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:21:55 -0700
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Hi Ben,

I cannot speak from personal experience because I only use PNW. However I
have heard many complain about paying extortion to Novell for bug fixes. I
also believe that in order to talk to them about problems you have with
Netware, you have to call a 1-900 number and pay extortion for them to help
you fix problems. They used to get $90/hr extortion for this so-called
service. It is probably much higher now.

BTW that is one reason I will not sell nor recommend Quantum drives. they
extort money from you through a 1-900 support.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben A L Jemmett" <ben DOT jemmett AT ukonline DOT co DOT uk>
To: <opendos AT delorie DOT com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: A little history


> > As
> > for SCO, you must not have heard of the many horror stories about it and
> > people were forced to upgrade to get rid of those bugs and pay big, big
> > bucks to upgrade. Much like MS crap and Novell Netware.
> Huh?  What?  Apart from the last few NW5 service packs, NetWare is
certainly
> not bug-ridden enough to be compared to MS's attempts at software
> engineering.  NetWare 3.2 (actually 3.12 with all the patches - 3.12 is
> dated 12th March, 1993) is rock solid.  4.11/4.2 I've no first-hand
> experience with, but is pretty much the same.  I run NetWare 5 beta 3 on
my
> development server here and it only crashes when I muck up something in my
> code.
>
> The majority of bug-fixes on NetWare are as patch NLMs, which load
> themselves over parts of the kernel using the Patch Manager (PMxxx.NLM) or
> replacement service NLMs.  4 and 5 have Service Packs, like NT, which are
> all the patches and upgrades at once (although their quality control is
> slipping lately).
>
> Regards,
> Ben A L Jemmett.
> (http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ben.jemmett/, http://www.deltasoft.com/)


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