Message-Id: <3.0.16.19900918203247.34d7da7e@tellus.swip.net> X-Sender: mt58779 AT tellus DOT swip DOT net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 Demo (16) To: opendos AT delorie DOT com From: Bernie Subject: Re: Documentation for DR-DOS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:24:47 +0200 Reply-To: opendos AT delorie DOT com Patrick wrote: >It's not my problem or a problem with Yahoo. I get my messages back after >they have been posted just like everyone else gets them. I checked that >message and it appears normal to me. I think the peoblem is that your mail >reader cannot handle HTML. Almost correct, your program (I thought Yahoo was web-mail - I now see that you are using Outlook) is incorrect since it sends the mails that you activly send as HTML mail with two images attached to them (this is actually the main reason why I complained). However when you reply this isn't done. > I'll try and remeber not to use a stationary for >this list in the future, but I am sure it looks good to people who use HTML. Quite frankly I couldn't care less since it takes time and money from me. >It could also be some server between the list server and you that has a >problem. You are very talented went it comes to some areas in the computer department - but your knowledge about some things is extremly bad. Reminds me of a friend who always saw the Internet as some sort of house were all the computers are and the closer he would get to that house the faster his connection would be. I must say I'm suprised and this also, naturally, was a driving factor for the "name calling" (although I was just joking and I hope you saw it as such) and I appologize. >As I said, I looked at my message and it had no attachments and >looked exactly like it looked before I sent it. Since you sent the message as HTML it had attachments. E-mail is only text - and HTNL files are sent as attachments to them. >I have a default stationary I use. I looked at the RAW MIME and see why you >may be haing a problem with my mail. Some where my message was converted to >MIME instead of using HTML. MIME is the most common format for sending attachments. UUencoded is another format and BinHex is normal on Macs. >Most of the messages I get from this list and >others are in HTML format. From this list: No From people using Outlook: Yes (sadly enough) From the rest of the people in the world: No Apparently most of the people you get mail from use Outlook. > I have had no problems. You do have one - you are sending mails as HTML attachments when sending mail to the list. For instance someone comming to a foreign country who isn't able to speak the native language will need to learn that language to succesfully communicate with the inhabitants there. Even if many understand English it's much easier to be understood and understand people if you learn the native language. You don't see me complaining that you can't read a message I would send in Swedish. I have to adjust to the fact that the majority of Internet users (so far) understand English and English is therefor the "standard" language on the Internet at this date. What you must ask yourself is if sending the message as an attached HTML file makes it easy for the recipient to take in the information you want to share. I would assume that the interesting things is what you write - not how you present it (if so you could do a better job at it by other means). BTW: I'm glad I don't need to learn all the diffrent languages that people in my neighbourhood (I estimate it to 15.000 people) talk to communicate with them (IIRC people come from over 50 diffrent countries) since I'm not good at foreign languages (except English that is, or perhaps I should let someone else judge that). BTW2: About a month ago we had relatives from France over (well the first bunch anyway - another left yesterday) and it was impossible to communicate with them. The reason? I (and everyone else in the family) wasn't talking Swedish to them if that's what you think. The kid at age 17 understood less English than a Swedish 9 year old would and his mother wasn't much better. The father on the other hand had learnt Swedish from his mother (who was the one that left yesterday) and could therefor communicate with us. As you can see the key to succesfully communication is to choose a language (in this case - it may be the method of presentation as well) that the audience understands. >Maybe you should update >to an HTML mail program. Actually Eudora (win 3.x) handles it quite well leaving me in the position of being able to read it but unwilling to pay for the extra connection time (I'm still NOT living in the US and therefor need to pay for my connection time). And since the normal answer after that is that I should: "Get a faster computer and run Windows [insert latest version]" I have a AMD K6-2 400, 64MB RAM and a total of 14.9G HD. DOS is a dream on this hardware (and Win95 OSR2 that I also have is a nightmare) so I don't see any need to change (more HD and/or RAM perhaps but nothing else). >There are many available including many that are >free. try out WEBSPYDER B2, if you are using DoS. It has a FrAME browser and >may include mail as well. Minuet has a complete collection of internet >utilities for DOS. Actually I would prefer using Arachne that WebSpyder is based upon, the latest version I'm using ("1.70 Bernie Version") is much newer than WebSpyder. Glenn who also complained also have the source for Arachne, but I don't think there's a "Glenn Version" yet ;-) And the mail handler in WebSpyder would most likely have several bugs in it that was fixed in later Arachne versions (the 1.4x series fixed these and I think Caldera bought the code in the 1.2x stage). I am not asking you to change your software. You are free to use a program that has security bugs making it able to be infected by viruses and thereby dominating the news flood from more interesting and worthwhile causes. Just because a stupid company has made it possible to have this feature for people. I am just asking you that you change to not sending HTML attachments but sending normal mail instead. Lets say I add the ability to Arachne to send mails in my own format (just as M$ do it) and then complain that it's the fault of Outlook that you can't read the mails and tell you to update to the latest Arachne version instead. Would you do so? Probably not, and neither will I. The common ground for e-mail is text (this might change but not anytime soon).