From: jdashiel AT eagle1 DOT eaglenet DOT com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 23:59:51 -0500 (EST) To: mharris AT blackwidow DOT saultc DOT on DOT ca Cc: Benjamin D Chambers , opendos AT mail DOT tacoma DOT net Subject: Re: [opendos] A more ordered fixlist In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-opendos AT mail DOT tacoma DOT net Precedence: bulk Plead technical frustration and see where you land. The Federal Government is covered by the A.D.A. as of this year and is barred from purchasing any office equipment or related products which exclude any of the workers expected to use those products from using them because they're not properly designed for handicapped employees. Actually you'd probably be asked if you'd investigated the possibility of conditionally loading an overlay with the necessary support dependent on command line switches in the case you stated. On Tue, 4 Feb 1997 mharris AT blackwidow DOT saultc DOT on DOT ca wrote: > On Sun, 2 Feb 1997 jdashiel AT eagle1 DOT eaglenet DOT com wrote: > > > If you give the program away very likely not a problem if you sell it > > though > > that makes a business transaction and and because it's a business > > transaction > > all services offered to the > > general public in the U.S. must also accommodate the handicapped except > > in cases of economic frustration. Very difficult to prove > > economic frustration though. The Congress got tired of hearing about > > these problems and came up with that law. > > Likely there will be precedent for technical frustration set under the > > A.D.A. > > and Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and ammendments but I'd want that to be a > > very tight doorway. With stuff as it has stood, in the Reagan > > administration > > 76% of working aged blind people had never had gainful employment; 12% > > were able only to have part-time or seasonal work, and the other > > 12% had the full-time jobs. I understand this picture hasn't improved > > much > > since then either. > > I still don't buy it. I think that you're interpreting the laws > in the wrong way. Lets say that I make a program, a TSR that is > a popup calculator/addressbook/etc. I want this TSR to be really > small so that it doesn't eat up a bunch of memory. Lets say my > finished program has a 64k memory footprint. This program uses > direct access to video memory and unfortunately doesn't work with > handicapped people's software. If I put in support, the TSR goes > to a 96k footprint and no longer fits in a 64k segment, and runs > slower. This causes ample technical problems, as well as making > my other users unhappy. Who wants to load a 96k EXE file as a > TSR????? > > I could come up with countless other examples too. I'm not > arguing that supporting the handicapped shouldn't be done, just > that it can't ALWAYS be done, and if it degrades a product to the > point where it causes other problems, then it shouldn't be done, > or if possible 2 versions could *NOT SHOULD*, but *COULD* be > made. > > Ever seen DOOM for the handicapped? > > A business transaction and a computer program are 2 different > things. Either way, I live in Canada and our laws aren't the > same. When I code ANY program, I'm coding for ME personally! > Sometimes I decide to let other people use my program too. > Sometimes I decide to sell my programs. This is on an AS-IS > basis. If someone can't use it because they are handicapped and > my program doesn't work with their programs, then they should get > new programs that scan video memory. It is NOT technically > impossible either as that is how DOORWAY does it. > > This thread is really quite pointless to me, and is becoming more > of a negative thing. I find it isn't going anywhere either so > I'm not going to pursue it any further. > > In summary all I can say is: When writing programs, I just write > them. I suggest others do the same. Also, if it is easily done, > and doesn't come with much penalty, it will pay to support people > with accessibility problems. Not only does it look good, but it > is the right thing to do. Don't feel forced to follow my opinion > however. > > I strongly doubt that there are companies out there that are > purposefully making their programs difficult to use for the > handicapped. That would be cruel. > > Well, lets end this thread now, agreed? > > TTYL > > Mike A. Harris | http://blackwidow.saultc.on.ca/~mharris > Computer Consultant | My webpage has moved and my address has changed. > My dynamic address: http://blackwidow.saultc.on.ca/~mharris/ip-address.html > mailto:mharris AT blackwidow DOT saultc DOT on DOT ca > > Question: Does anyone know how to get talk to work in Linux? > > jude