Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike A. Harris" Reply-To: "Mike A. Harris" To: Mark Habersack cc: opendos AT mail DOT tacoma DOT net Subject: Re: [opendos] Re: OpenDOS to be released next week! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Your mom. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-opendos AT mail DOT tacoma DOT net Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Mark Habersack wrote: > >> > How much disk space does the entire subdirectory tree consume? I mean > >> > including all sources and things needed to compile them. > >> And including slack on a FAT disk with 32KB clusters, please! ;-) > >32k clusters!! Ouch!! I wrote a program to analyze disk wastage on a > >"cluster size" basis. With 32k clusters, and the disk being FULL of > >files, you'll find that you have 30% disk wastage. Yes, thats right, > >I said *THIRTY* percent. This means a 1 gig disk that is full is > >wasting 300 megs. Scary eh? > Yeah. And I have a 2 gig disk with *one* partition and 30% wasted coz M$ > didn't design their FS as they should (probably would cost too much... ;-)) That is VERY scary. I will never understand why no one likes multiple DOS partitions. I have 1000 disk drive letters and I kinda like it. I switch between drives in 4DOS by typing ALT-. Really cool. Hmmm. Remember the old DOS JOIN command? Does anyone know what became of it? Sounds a lot like "mount" to me. If so, one could divide a disk into 4 256M partitions and then "mount" the D drive under C:\games, the E: drive under C:\bin, etc... I would definately like to know if someone has the source for JOIN and if they could send it to me. > >My program consistently shows that: If you have a cluster size that is > >larger than 4k, you are wasting too much disk space. 4k clusters > >waste no more than 3% on average. I've done extensive testing on a > >great many computers to get these results too. > It is possible to change the cluster size, even on huge HDDs, to 4KB - just > use Quaterdeck's 'PartitionIt!' - it works great. The only side effect is that > your FAT copies grow to ~1M and it gets slow... ;-))) Gods! I wish OpenDOS had > built-in support for ext2fs!! Shall we do it? > > >But don't take my word for it, do the following: > I do! ;-)) You do what? Take my word? Cool, then I don't have to publish a 50meg file proving it. :o) > >If you have 4DOS, go to your root directory and type: > > > Sure I have! Who hasn't? Strange people who just *THINK* that they are programmers. They use things like vi, and emacs, and COPY CON for creating text files. :o) > >FAT SUCKS!!!!!!!! A happy medium is 250Meg FAT partitions. Don't make > >them 256 though cause FDISK rounds off to the next highest cylinder > >which could push you from 4k to 8k clusters. > FAT sucks and it's too fat for our HDDs ;-)) But I don't like partitioning > drives - it's almost impossible to recover from some crash when you mess up > with vital areas of your disk ;-) I've yet to experience a disaster disk crash in any OS. > I've just heard that NWCDEX is in OpenDOS - if you still want it, I'll pass it > along to you. Hmm. I guess I'll wait for OpenDOS. It'll save me from reconfiguring my system more than once. Thanks for the offer though. > >Maybe Caldera will lower the price of WP6.1 for Linux down to $100 or > >so. :o) Then I'll buy it for sure and DESTROY 3.11 forever! > I wish Corel had made Corel Ventura for Linux... dreams... But speaking about > word processing - have you tried the StarOffice package? I think it is > compatible with WP6 file format. And works both on Linux and WinXX!!! And is > FREE! I haven't installed SO yet. I don't have the disk space, nor do I have Motif yet. The Motif problem seems to be the biggest of the two though. I'd really like to try out Star. Hopefully it will come out of beta soon. > >That is GREAT!!!! It will be cool to add code to the DOS kernel! For > >my own devices and such. Also to REMOVE unneeded things. I don't > >know what yet, but I'm sure I'll find something! And it's FREE! And > >I'll have the sources! But when?!?!?! This is worse than > >waiting for DOOM to come out a couple of years ago! > Or for Win95 to disappear! ;-)) Unfortunately unlikely. :o( > >Hmm. Will it run Doze apps, or just custom apps? It'd be nice if it > >was like X. > Dunno, but don't think so... But, hopefully, I'm wrong. But you'll be able to > use X-Emu on OpenDOS! Cool! If it is a good GUI, I'll try it out. Even if it only works with programs written explicitly for it, it should be pretty good. DVX was an ok GUI. > >I've got those in my NS cache. I'm looking for OpenDOS logos though. > >I'm going to put up the Caldera ones if I can't find the OD ones > >though. > If you step upon any of them - let me know! Oh, someone will soon have one we can grab. Caldera probably has one in hiding. Mike A. Harris - Computer Consultant http://www3.sympatico.ca/mharris My dynamic address: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mharris/ip-address.html mailto:mharris AT sympatico DOT ca mailto:mharris AT blackwidow DOT saultc DOT on DOT ca Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell: The #1 Late Night talk radio program.