X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xfiLqtC0eJCGRVNgyxYR3Vfyb31HgsUIb535RUfXP9w=; b=GCUPl7O/kP9V4kyyogAPs4uy+8SFO2XuWMxzcPSR29Hb5FV2JdoMTQ56xlCMCobaLV YMtd+iREyJE9H+7wWHJaOImTqeVrtTpJlzTx9EHgz+tkwba4H3JakMKwi+SzDtjeLhu/ JUwWBSRI1Mv3kp9OvmVqpFqzOu+GxXbHIQZ/h7hI7w9FYepd2TKzTlSVVS7vzROsMfju JXt5hJEL5hV2+ewqfz/5CFzD7nnfketn8qC0xX9264UgbjRzBeyKt/l9+x+IfwOgNxh9 nw+aQpUQEjtmwNc+euASRvzVq6ag9UyvMQQfO9pU5IDT8DBAsEtoqZksT3OSqH5nVfcq v5DA== X-Received: by 10.194.76.67 with SMTP id i3mr17249709wjw.5.1445497672794; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 00:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:07:51 +0200 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile Message-Id: <20151022090751.ecb5bc25c7d968646dea2e85@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20151022023002.GA25952@recycle.lbl.gov> References: <73ED29DA-968B-4675-9B00-125E03683C9B AT noqsi DOT com> <201510220112 DOT t9M1Ccfq013731 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510220136 DOT t9M1a5Uw015222 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201510220149 DOT t9M1nrIe016145 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151022023002 DOT GA25952 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 02:03:43AM +0000, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:49 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > It would be great if you could just connect two > > > nets like that and have the system remember the topology long enough > > > to DTRT in layout. But in gEDA, this type of connection only results > > > in an error. > > > > Well I was approaching that with the stuff I was talking about in the > > other thread but I realized there were fundamental issues with it. > > This is kind of why I was thinking about star grounds. Really this is > > a type of star topology. > > I don't think this failing is unique to gEDA. I just had a > board laid out in PADS (schematic in gschem), and some analog > stuff had to be left hand-wired, non-design-rule-checked, because > of this exact issue. Just like in PCB, there seemed to be no way > to communicate to the layout tool that two nets are supposed to > touch in a defined spot, but be independent. > > I think it's easy enough to create a "star" component in gschem; > getting a layout tool to deal with it seems harder. I've heard > of hacks involving extra layers to make it happen in PCB. The > team of PADS experts (not sure if a smiley face belongs there or > not) couldn't even imagine a way to make it happen for that tool. > Other than adding a bunch of zero Ohm resistors, which I rejected. Yes, only problem with star ground symbol in gschem is how many pins it should have. In pcb for many cases it would make sense with one common connection point. Nicklas Karlsson