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Subject: Re: [geda-user] Stop playing stupid political games with gEDA
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On Oct 3, 2015, at 8:16 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

>=20
>>> But the majority of the user base just wants to use it.
>>=20
>> You have a scientific poll that shows this?
>=20
> Of course not, and that's a dumb thing to ask for, unless you have a
> scientific poll that says otherwise.
>=20
>> This is your prejudice. To me, it's ugly. As a user, I don't share
>> your low opinion of the user base.
>=20
> Perhaps you are not a typical user.  If so, yay for you that you found
> something atypical that suits your needs.

I don=92t believe in typical.  I was recently talking to some folks at a =
maker space, and I would say that few of them were doing anything =
=93typical=94. Toolkits are for doing the atypical.

>  But don't assume you
> represent the majority of our user base.

Don=92t assume that you do. Or that =93typical=94 is a meaningful =
concept.

>  Most users of *any* software
> package just want to get their job done and move on.

Above you said "just wants to use it=94. Getting the job done is =
completely different. When you can extend the toolkit to do *your* job, =
you can get it done and move on. And that=92s what I want users to be =
able to do. What they want and need, not just *your* kind of project, =
but *any* kind of project.

>=20
>> If there are such gEDA users, they are not very discerning.
>=20
> I'll thank you to not insult our users.

I think it=92s *your* patronizing attitude that insults users. Users who =
want to get *their* jobs done, not merely what you=92d allow them. Users =
who can do the jobs if you give them tools and let them loose, unlike =
your belief that they need constraints to make the software easy to use.

>=20
>> But gEDA is not consumer software, and hurray for that.
>=20
> I wonder why you praise "difficult to use" as a feature=85
>=20

I would say that a tool with a special feature for every objective is =
difficult to use, and impossible to use if the feature you need is =
missing. But a extensible toolkit is empowering, and only superficially =
difficult.

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com



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