X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697016160; x=1697620960; darn=delorie.com; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wukvpMdk3wIKmAEAx8xY4nHDvp2WEWSavjpwoiDPfrU=; b=D2S8AWO00SbsK/U7vAfy7v2Y9mwr6Hu11cf5iDqBUAQkauJhGLMhtEV4LkvnGuRgzv +zFsa8iXU8Q2ib9Z/+JHiTLxfYodusa6VnJ4ZlThMv0iheb8MmLhyGCmWtYAw8oLtCi6 erB7lDK7cFF1fhkfVgujd5nscnm3Az8KkD+VopOvZxcTbG8t1U8xpnOkdVii/ORlDQBa fmAsQTVCkTzs6l3uxLwJbKmDiVP7q777DaLDnKTywK0iVYV/1xLQ0HrDFVpxYRl4NId5 A7XHEO0o3Jr/Sl2gervoVXb8+emFHdX4n5Pqm2qlI22tsOLnUs8FDdgkVsc6gpgdAeXf /kSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697016160; x=1697620960; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wukvpMdk3wIKmAEAx8xY4nHDvp2WEWSavjpwoiDPfrU=; b=FC8oXE9JiTwfEXqudy01dKZGoew028qc3qsREAXauS3Cr1l3bWPIMuxa+W9dpamaQC exf4/P2PJwtkyMWXFZYprdkPOTgvHCeYo6MfV5wVloRVDol8TP+yoEdQmKr91fuPXBPb U48zjTeOghkT0hzcC0Z2V1fPxIBz7hIxVcw2Xb0ukWRvNlXwzVwmc7QToDtPc4jSHib6 ZbiFN4SjLZHZBVU478MBKp+9pLpVAFuEW/o5xCz+CD0siOTpfU9BhorpeSdwy5hFDHBI q5hcMeJ4uWo6gCQEsBHyDIoEwPe4J3dxtURM/3vmoD3q/vGTLBeR2d9t7EirTZgx088Y SDBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw4/q+jNmNxWDnJ7KAQE2+s/fmo1T7Ik18dVVqNio9W5fofFPpg 4FCWsdovSwQTTu+3JUI7Rc/rbn72BWAteyMr6C2tDi/u9g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFDHLSADHq8YsLCxTjsHZFjWLF8FMSN3leadJO1vMx6Aqw1dQY0XxBmpc6Mm+5KRGg3pvDMLmiBdqp8+pNw61Q= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f814:0:b0:452:80b7:a09c with SMTP id l20-20020a67f814000000b0045280b7a09cmr15172158vso.19.1697016159491; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 02:22:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202310100335 DOT 39A3Zn6W3486400 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20231011064748 DOT 189073 DOT qmail AT panix DOT com> <3fb01dc9-1716-5e70-8ef5-f802a9b03043 AT svptechnicalservices DOT com DOT au> In-Reply-To: <3fb01dc9-1716-5e70-8ef5-f802a9b03043@svptechnicalservices.com.au> From: "Alex Natalsson (svetonomer AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 12:22:27 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] is geda dead yet? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005d5fce06076d5d4d" Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com --0000000000005d5fce06076d5d4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used this and it worked well. This year it stopped working and I started using lepton along with pcb. While it's working) Many people wants modeling. I think there is not enough gtk-modeling solves. Ngspice is a good program, but it is much inferior to others, such as LTSpice. LtSpice is free, but it is only for Windows. On x86_64 it can be run under Wine. I use aarch64, so LTSpice doesn't work for me. I think we need to take steps in this direction) =D1=81=D1=80, 11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2023=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:05, Sco= tt Pitcher ( scotty AT svptechnicalservices DOT com DOT au) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] < geda-user AT delorie DOT com>: > I can't speak for it's auto router, but I picked up pcb-rnd last year to > start and complete a 12 PCB design. This is a new model of a BMS > interface we did a couple of years ago, but in a "shorter" Italtronic > DIN rail case. I chose pcb-rnd because of the 3D modelling capability > which was essential in this design. I needed to know where every nut and > bolt went and spent quite some time with FreeCAD and an assembly > checking the clearances. There was a learning curve, but by the end I > was modelling my own parametric footprints in Tcl which plug directly > into pcb-rnd's library, and those precisely according to the data sheets > both footprint and OpenSCAD models. I really would never have got the > design finished without pcb-rnd, OpenSCAD and FreeCAD. We did what once > would have been many many $Ks of work in this little workshop-office out > the back of my place, on this average PC. Come December when the boards > started to arrive from the factory - it all went together. Aside from a > couple of tracks I'd swapped one one board and some other small errors I > made like rotated tantalum caps. The CPU board was 3 layer and the Main > board also and the rest are 2 layer. I'm happy send some snap shots if > anyone wants to have a look. > > Just my $0.02 worth. > > Kind regards, > Scott > > > On 11/10/23 17:47, conover AT panix DOT com (John Conover) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] writes: > >> Many of the deficiencies in the data model and capabilities of gEDA > >> PCB have been addressed in pcb-rnd, for example: > > . > > . > > . > >> - seamless external autorouter support, using either standalone > >> freerouting or freerouting-cli, plus infrastructure for other routers, > >> > > The routing capability of pcb-rnd is very poor, (never mind > > autoplace.) Simple circuits, (as few as 3 simple components,) fail to > > complete and require manual intervention. (It is a ComputerVision > > polygon pusher clone from the 1970's.) > > > > I hope pcb(1) is not one of the programs that is going to become > > abandon ware. Its a fairly good router, and doesn't cost $100K per > > seat and $7K a month maintenance like the Cadence tool chain. > > > > John > > > -- > > +------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----+ > |...will make the wilderness a pool of water, the dry land springs of > water...| > > +------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----+ > | Scott Pitcher > Scotty AT svptechnicalservices DOT com DOT au | > | +61-3-9008-5695 (B) SVP Technical > Services | > |PGP: https://gnupg.org/ ABN 79 220 496 > 603 | > |KEY: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=3Dvindex&search=3D0xEDBE43639EFD8= 84D > | > > +------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----+ > > DISCLAIMER: > The content of this email is confidential and strictly intended only for > the > recipient(s) specified in the message. 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I used this and it worked well. This year it stopped worki= ng and I started using lepton along with pcb. While it's working)
Ma= ny people wants modeling. I think there is not enough gtk-modeling solves. = Ngspice is a good program, but it is much inferior to others, such as LTSpi= ce. LtSpice is free, but it is only for Windows. On x86_64 it can be run un= der Wine. I use aarch64, so LTSpice doesn't work for me.
I think we = need to take steps in this direction)

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D1=81=D1=80, 11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2= 023=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 11:05, Scott Pitcher (scotty AT svptechnicalservices DOT com DOT au) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>:
I can't speak for it= 's auto router, but I picked up pcb-rnd last year to
start and complete a 12 PCB design. This is a new model of a BMS
interface we did a couple of years ago, but in a "shorter" Italtr= onic
DIN rail case. I chose pcb-rnd because of the 3D modelling capability
which was essential in this design. I needed to know where every nut and bolt went and spent quite some time with FreeCAD and an assembly
checking the clearances. There was a learning curve, but by the end I
was modelling my own parametric footprints in Tcl which plug directly
into pcb-rnd's library, and those precisely according to the data sheet= s
both footprint and OpenSCAD models. I really would never have got the
design finished without pcb-rnd, OpenSCAD and FreeCAD. We did what once would have been many many $Ks of work in this little workshop-office out the back of my place, on this average PC. Come December when the boards started to arrive from the factory - it all went together. Aside from a couple of tracks I'd swapped one one board and some other small errors = I
made like rotated tantalum caps. The CPU board was 3 layer and the Main board also and the rest are 2 layer. I'm happy send some snap shots if =
anyone wants to have a look.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Kind regards,
Scott


On 11/10/23 17:47, c= onover AT panix DOT com (John Conover) [via
geda-user AT delori= e.com] wrote:
> Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] writes:
>> Many of the deficiencies in the data model and capabilities of gED= A
>> PCB have been addressed in pcb-rnd, for example:
> .
> .
> .
>> - seamless external autorouter support, using either standalone >> freerouting or freerouting-cli, plus infrastructure for other rout= ers,
>>
> The routing capability of pcb-rnd is very poor, (never mind
> autoplace.) Simple circuits, (as few as 3 simple components,) fail to<= br> > complete and require manual intervention. (It is a ComputerVision
> polygon pusher clone from the 1970's.)
>
> I hope pcb(1) is not one of the programs that is going to become
> abandon ware. Its a fairly good router, and doesn't cost $100K per=
> seat and $7K a month maintenance like the Cadence tool chain.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 John
>
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