X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697009337; x=1697614137; darn=delorie.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=tsQNQc3QLnploWNU7iay4eillkiUJB/RqQPX6XUOeDg=; b=i1s5YcccfVOlxgLtIMEBHlN4YPI3LhO/HBIWBR0NnuH1bq/6rlfSUCC8RfWpWLGM/C j5GzvkbZn7gS4ZCotidLz/1edq7mfcjDOV5kATkczbkWlMIOGQUORvtsu/YZ9A4ZY7Ij LVLOuOtDkG20JAhE/vd6Vyt5tooR99TDZvRpiMI8Ep6QQHxS49HZyae/5cXiPggoU4b8 +cJRMq9lZ74kmAzeECiLPQrosujv8ArL5KNf68wo1szryirTG2u57yhnHO6f7NvxF7Vy IkrPHwhh4IAaQg9VOHMW7TNYRK7nDnbzoLRb4rAOS/csPezgVpPJCKWQBNknW+XqdPK/ arzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697009337; x=1697614137; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tsQNQc3QLnploWNU7iay4eillkiUJB/RqQPX6XUOeDg=; b=OJ6NXwW0UY8UNHYVSfJw46dpiqHPlgh567SNp88WKdMj31IMOPsYkLWqt1pJYcrYoH 1DVoXlT4GfIKqGMqo/W1XLpkU+9IvQsWAhq2+1G3uRkWXobft/VfQKYLoEvTW5iAHL2J Dw9Lw7joY7Ax2TCWfSYib0yHMSlmw46hVKnvSnz3WDAAf6ikDTEoK882mARrMudVEhPp yeG31at/sxRHScsdIJdeReDCQ03+lMNoKO2ZEz04/YAZjlKPRF4gRZXuneSnS540Fi9s 1AnxVFBgR5x8RfDLOKTjpEY+5cGlcGRM1I31vfsT3ZqD8qpxa2qPi+XhdL8IgqUlqlHg S8hQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwE55hBd2D3kDyN1/9lj79orb+qcsVPlY3cKwd9XO1Pey+EMg7s OraRqiNa86OyRI/wy8VRL6agoQGxuplarIIwjcxVRrcxyjg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGMgg0+Jq50g5ftiHbTsIHzc3vElse3zpdE20S/bSFQd1fIduuKagic/MSvmKlPucTUrInVKWN4TVoFapSDKXY= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9d10:0:b0:79f:c9ad:19ce with SMTP id j16-20020a5d9d10000000b0079fc9ad19cemr20860308ioj.15.1697009337696; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:28:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202310100335 DOT 39A3Zn6W3486400 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20231011064748 DOT 189073 DOT qmail AT panix DOT com> In-Reply-To: <20231011064748.189073.qmail@panix.com> From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 17:58:44 +1030 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] is geda dead yet? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id 39B7SwQx021531 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com pcb-rnd retains the original autorouter from gEDA PCB, has an external toporouter route-rnd ( http://www.repo.hu/projects/route-rnd/ ), and can utilise freerouting ( https://github.com/freerouting/ ) as a standalone application (much like kicad does) or more seamlessly, can utilise freerouting_cli ( http://www.repo.hu/projects/freerouting_cli/ ). Obviously, specctra import/export remains an option generally. pcb-rnd retains the original autoplace code from gEDA PCB, plus has a smart disperse plugin which can be used. The pcb-rnd code has been modularised, making additional plugin support easier generally. Regards, Erich On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 5:24 PM conover AT panix DOT com (John Conover) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] writes: > > > > Many of the deficiencies in the data model and capabilities of gEDA > > PCB have been addressed in pcb-rnd, for example: > . > . > . > > - seamless external autorouter support, using either standalone > > freerouting or freerouting-cli, plus infrastructure for other routers, > > > > The routing capability of pcb-rnd is very poor, (never mind > autoplace.) Simple circuits, (as few as 3 simple components,) fail to > complete and require manual intervention. (It is a ComputerVision > polygon pusher clone from the 1970's.) > > I hope pcb(1) is not one of the programs that is going to become > abandon ware. Its a fairly good router, and doesn't cost $100K per > seat and $7K a month maintenance like the Cadence tool chain. > > John > > -- > > John Conover, conover AT panix DOT com, http://www.johncon.com/