X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc; bh=xSl/nJQMMEkZdfowRXHqzl4YOeT2qxh3Rsnn1aoU90g=; b=Zy24+qtkBqZ3SjA2WS7UpImVmMaCbxQnW/JlZ1gNQB6ZNAeRF3jOnJofm1Ny8y8YZc ds2QU6Z/EYuLvTBTR8TP6+at88o/vpvF5Mk/rpNHCzIzeGUyOoDFAammBogtFWFSvQ9a jJYG6ScfMlOCP1CDVp0bgQzFS/M5byjevx4rUSE/OytZdH8d94GHwK7fqUjKSJ248uMR 3MnVW+M8sokYgBdhL9Z82LTlsZYyG8SmG9fcGouzEtumY9P5bEKU9ABa+PXdnbFoPucc 6Nrg/SrwYUn5meHcrHuwQU63Roow3RgDykHxFKBw1xYNNMNkASVWTdmsFylzDtCkgPef vkXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=xSl/nJQMMEkZdfowRXHqzl4YOeT2qxh3Rsnn1aoU90g=; b=EX4JGc+LXVGJGAq39nSO+aRY+zSZWPPkzXsBaksmVR60E2Z8/AXkjvgM/zVMWAjv90 LT6F3TlwM+G45Bi8XCtjzRdMbZSsJELPrvSiz3Zh6/trW/cODR71xj5RtgTsNyeGEH3f +NILr3eKdYEmtAxYgqp4OXrgrUNYYUXjalI3bdy44oPO6sptXwq6SkLcxWHXw0fIv2Od AbbGCpqfaGsoqyelDqYcQz+McY1Qtrf4Bpx+W1pobviuUGi2meKV0DvPIKX7uJ1YxED+ ojyiV2nY30D4a3jdlnjWYM26RknRRYbYyelFnSEK4WP7dtk9NgmfYoArNaPiKjfHn6/C NqXw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0FKK/mWX5vjHAEtp6dVzIs3GituaZY7YpFrs7QZoRH3p9Wof6v h6/6wv0cOc3Y8UpAvGlxsfkUaqA8aJVIe0DgPxNWgjxY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR5hiP0+bWrXolbNmq8aAv30D7FerZ/0lxmctb9qfzaXbz0R0NQJ2XAE+l5dIRZVJBggo4wvXt4rQjCtuJC7gK0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7ea2:b0:731:3bb6:d45a with SMTP id qb34-20020a1709077ea200b007313bb6d45amr17084742ejc.524.1660750658066; Wed, 17 Aug 2022 08:37:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66c88bcb-820c-9a1d-1698-d0b36f32e3f3 AT linetec DOT nl> In-Reply-To: From: "Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 08:37:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [OT] Solder paste woes To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:36 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > Two thoughts > > 1) I have heard of many people doing reflow at home who use locating pins on a precisely drilled support block that positively locates the pcb itself and the overlying stencil with matching holes when applying the paste > > 2) It could be that your apertures in the stencil are not optimal. Smaller apertures may allow more precise results. IIRC gEDA PCB solder mask aperture shrinkage relative to the pad shape can only be defined, if at all, on a whole board basis. You can set this per-footprint. The paste blobs on the SMT part look a tiny bit bigger than what I generally use, though it's difficult to judge exactly. The paste layer also looks somewhat thick. How thick is your stencil? Also the paste does look a little thin. I use a leaded paste for prototypes (though I doubt that's the issue here). > pcb-rnd treats each pad as a padstack, where layer apertures on each layer can be defined individually, or autogenerated, in the :padstackedit action. pcb-rnd is not needed to control this. I think the other reply is correct, and there is some stencil movement at some stage in the process. What I've always done is use scotch tape to tape the board directly to the stencil on all four edges of the board. Once the paste is on I pinch the board and stencil together and slit three pieces of the tape, leaving the fourth to act as a hinge. I then rotate the stencil and board apart using this hinge. I don't use any external framework. I'm sort of surprised this works but I've only once had a small bridge and not as bad as what you're showing in dozens of SMT boards, and no other fab-related failures ever. I think rotating up is the key, as it doesn't seem like it would be possible to reliably pick the entire stencil up without introducing transverse movement. btw pcbway is ~$450 even for smallish advanced process boards with impedance control etc. and I've found them to be very helpful. Britton