X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=DquTREz+ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=60e79be7 a=+cj0cO56Fp8x7EdhTra87A==:117 a=WZ/UB7iCicEj8r3JkhCb+Q==:17 a=9+rZDBEiDlHhcck0kWbJtElFXBc=:19 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=e_q4qTt1xDgA:10 a=x2NsucaP20wPU1U0zQMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-SECURESERVER-ACCT: glimrick AT epilitimus DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=epilitimus.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1Jqgq2Ci5CKx54d5dzknv06oT9dOU7sTlyomgZuKg2g=; b=M9qZxpW6x6ZZLfbjDuSMgbe3Np VoYC4u/9KTr2GK1ibUdRcZ7OAOMOCLN+bOYFyXxXYNEr/pP4fvtqmxrClk4may1AAucRSMrflB7Wj vtF5AVSBiBs+9nuHpuSXuQ2wHhKm2jxQG3jNnUIZ6yTj0z6NXjl7WgzlTK4WUE+kHn65Idvx1k6Pv 3uVePmaW5KUL0KU47IPVTOQWSC+IF7VQZU3urubg3kpl3mpv4MkdQngF+31Kw2fmYVuq6aaEh22oD mdD+BBZkKCcg6M3ccDly/PngN6liEW9CdL3RcQxwuEnbbsg8NEq9EjKWN3JcH/4poectkVCb5xBxl tWJ7a/7w==; Subject: Re: [geda-user] Thank you - some requests and an offer To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <20210707101437 DOT 2c7c63a6 AT queeg> <516720E8-7097-4943-89FB-EB0F53B38AD1 AT noqsi DOT com> <420493B5-5B8C-447C-9D66-5D46AFD963E1 AT noqsi DOT com> <20210708202955 DOT 21956 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> From: "Glenn (glimrick AT epilitimus DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 16:44:20 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2plcpnl0121.prod.iad2.secureserver.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - delorie.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - epilitimus.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: a2plcpnl0121.prod.iad2.secureserver.net: authenticated_id: glimrick AT epilitimus DOT com X-Authenticated-Sender: a2plcpnl0121.prod.iad2.secureserver.net: glimrick AT epilitimus DOT com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfNJ/HqHmr+GGhrmdQvmokef0XiWcoDGQmrZLQHE5CMSPvZv6n42CumyfxoOtveKeIRXW6Ythoz4ks0oArGoOsTLvnJu83suy+D0kKzmNZGQwWYGJYh2P Tv41VA3/WwnG9WhO8+Bbk4LcFXqy5K3TWY9G8tyuTZMgRA/x6bsnGNoVmVBfqCmwmqGUkygGFsD2nfdQDUcCrOA+4OFwpLzHMLqW2E58R3WmXWc9ZgQ15vUn Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk John Doty wrote: > Have *you* mastered Xorn? > > > Personally, I’m reasonably familiar with Python, but I found Xorn > impenetrable. That’s why I now use Lepton. Roland is impressively > productive with Xorn, but I can’t figure out how to do my custom stuff > with it. > As someone that started from zero with no preexisting experience in scheme, python, or xorn,  while I do not claim to have mastered xorn by any means I have been able to figure out how to do everything I wanted to do, including a few things Roland would prefer I didn't do. I have also found Roland to be quite easy to work with (even when we don't see eye to eye), while I have found some individuals from the lepton side to be less than interested in any ideas which did not fit into their preexisting paradigm.