X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=w9nOGFL8efd13gURnjNRtNZFf1sFfThhoHmnt9j/vWg=; b=r2dme4H0cjWyVkslQ7+JX5FPNbb/WJUWgpPKfQ7NAvVAj/nPNLwQ+QmYTmRXo8V+Jw /O671V77rw4/fP62RmElrmoHvsjUHK5yh+1dNZjyd+9gNDH219RRu1dIHZAuftTM9Jen Xrx+e2gtBfi/irzMFdUraWURtw8c0p9mMyIQP/RHj/UgLS5cTQG4xeIyEGshRR3Z1GsZ VY23vQRJM36zRo4cWwKYs2/IE9hdfBoad1i08+MR43qnKqm8khun+GzxDM6YIvHIIdGy yUB4D9nnmO6C0AJNoaz0aOJWz2+i3ku+lsAJxa9wcT0A38pM4IOPRVgRdVjqUnmPximZ hS3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=w9nOGFL8efd13gURnjNRtNZFf1sFfThhoHmnt9j/vWg=; b=traQouaOsL5Z8PJLaAmjU5H7dEHOqNlXhHvFiJTy6L9590NEgEVZkJHRm5R3NpVP5D MbXPJX8qG3ZGKAmLjfnv4+1WS5HGAwLAVcZKQfL857e8ayD5p7OP9AGIytfHv0Zl1u8L QvgassJns2zIZ4+drvb/PjZj4z/0dXW4TTuaB4zn1XrzEL5uJjZrp0tUzsBUj9wWn73f 6ueF0DNWeTWMGdP2GzARDPoUVsAjJ1lELcvoyXyYZ2r2eMJSkHHVLCpmrDSUxZQzOYLo mRPF0PPYs3D+ciY7Qxcp53Ai0Q3W/XB+PHNjQtRT/wRzAkpdfdy6KUbvBxTHOguT26Jn dEhg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531oP0ipT0vWyyuvAL6RW3GTQRLq7wLemWzAHRDaE1QRcWWnmFFB xRTOBb8J+V2uRKwATsPRkHtqn/FlI0sbICbiPHM6Nk48oEQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyTRYdVCgZDNvZJc4ng1ZkMERDQcPJIGsOPMSj3HsNPJ+EoVt5DJZSCXdf37+UryxIG792DPTstG8MJl2h+yl4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:131f:: with SMTP id x31mr10665005lfu.552.1613441625292; Mon, 15 Feb 2021 18:13:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210110065529 DOT A5C7E82966EF AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <63b86b32-75be-dbff-7215-e3c35c484808 AT fastmail DOT com> In-Reply-To: <63b86b32-75be-dbff-7215-e3c35c484808@fastmail.com> From: "Marvin Dickens (mpdickens AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 21:13:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] No https for pcb-rnd To: geda-user Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f1045c05bb6aa62a" Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com --000000000000f1045c05bb6aa62a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" When I see stuff like what is in this thread I am embarrassed. This thread is TOTAL GARBAGE. The things that made this project great are gone. I am opting out of this disaster. Marvin Dickens On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 6:19 PM Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > On 1/9/21 10:55 PM, karl AT aspodata DOT se [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > Girvin Herr: > >> In the name of computer security, I am going through all of my browser > >> bookmarks and rejecting all websites that do not support the https > >> protocol. > > ... > > > > So would a self signed certificate suffice -- since then you are using > > "https". > > > > And next, what kind of security do you want ? > > a, the middleman cannot see what you transfer > > b, the middleman cannot change what you transfer > > c, the middleman cannot cannot see that you have contact or are > > transferring (https doesn't solve that) > > d, to be sure that the site is indeed authentic (use dns-sec for that) > > e, something else I haven't thought about > > > > If you don't trust a self signed certificate, why would you trust > > some random certificate authority and not some person writing > > useful code that serves us well. See e.g. > > > https://www.theregister.com/2013/12/10/french_gov_dodgy_ssl_cert_reprimand/ > > > > You know, https isn't the final answer to computer security. > > > > And lastly, why don't you do a simple request on the pcb-rnd mailing > > list, what has geda-user have to do with this. > > > > Regards, > > /Karl Hammar > > > Karl, > > I don't know why you are so resistant to computer security. The majority > of websites I visit and I have bookmarks for are already https > compliant, including many, if not most, open source websites like gEDA. > I finally got to my gEDA bookmarks and the gEDA websites are not https > compliant either! It is about time the gEDA websites get on the > bandwagon and improve their website security. Not having a web server, I > cannot attest to what is needed to add a https port, but IMHO not doing > so is risky. https is not the end-all of security. It takes constant > vigilance to keep up with the bad guys and the tools, such as https, > help and it should be a minimum. > > Why did I post my concern about pcb-rnd on this forum? Good question. I > thought about it a while and decided that since pcb-rnd was on this > forum in the past, and that it may be polled by the pcb-rnd devs, and > that some pcb-rnd users who read the postings on this forum should know > that the pcb-rnd website may not be as secure as they think, I decided > to post here. That may be a political mistake and I apologize if it > offends anyone, but I thought I was doing other users a service and > maybe a push for the pcb-rnd server maintainer to add a https portal. > Now that includes gEDA too. I hope the gEDA server maintainers create a > https portal on the web server(s) asap. We all must be serious about > computer security because there are a lot of bad guys out there. > > HTH. > > Girvin > > > --000000000000f1045c05bb6aa62a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I see stuff like what is in this thread I am embarras= sed. This thread is TOTAL GARBAGE.
The things that made this project gr= eat are gone. I am opting out of this disaster.

Ma= rvin Dickens

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 6:19 PM Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

On 1/9/21 10:55 PM, k= arl AT aspodata DOT se [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> Girvin Herr:
>> In the name of computer security, I am going through all of my bro= wser
>> bookmarks and rejecting all websites that do not support the https=
>> protocol.
> ...
>
> So would a self signed certificate suffice -- since then you are using=
> "https".
>
> And next, what kind of security do you want ?
> a, the middleman cannot see what you transfer
> b, the middleman cannot change what you transfer
> c, the middleman cannot cannot see that you have contact or are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0transferring (https doesn't solve that)
> d, to be sure that the site is indeed authentic (use dns-sec for that)=
> e, something else I haven't thought about
>
> If you don't trust a self signed certificate, why would you trust<= br> > some random certificate authority and not some person writing
> useful code that serves us well. See e.g.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://= www.theregister.com/2013/12/10/french_gov_dodgy_ssl_cert_reprimand/
>
> You know, https isn't the final answer to computer security.
>
> And lastly, why don't you do a simple request on the pcb-rnd maili= ng
> list, what has geda-user have to do with this.
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
>
Karl,

I don't know why you are so resistant to computer security. The majorit= y
of websites I visit and I have bookmarks for are already https
compliant, including many, if not most, open source websites like gEDA. I finally got to my gEDA bookmarks and the gEDA websites are not https
compliant either! It is about time the gEDA websites get on the
bandwagon and improve their website security. Not having a web server, I cannot attest to what is needed to add a https port, but IMHO not doing so is risky. https is not the end-all of security. It takes constant
vigilance to keep up with the bad guys and the tools, such as https,
help and it should be a minimum.

Why did I post my concern about pcb-rnd on this forum? Good question. I thought about it a while and decided that since pcb-rnd was on this
forum in the past, and that it may be polled by the pcb-rnd devs, and
that some pcb-rnd users who read the postings on this forum should know that the pcb-rnd website may not be as secure as they think, I decided
to post here. That may be a political mistake and I apologize if it
offends anyone, but I thought I was doing other users a service and
maybe a push for the pcb-rnd server maintainer to add a https portal.
Now that includes gEDA too. I hope the gEDA server maintainers create a https portal on the web server(s) asap. We all must be serious about
computer security because there are a lot of bad guys out there.

HTH.

Girvin


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