X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= reply-to:to:from:subject:message-id:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm2; bh=Jy/s8t44b3qMF wsQTXQILwReAwgW/gMYvSyBod5z+nI=; b=PBB307dTD1fWGDc5G0khxXV0sjEHk zJ17hYR37w0nJqh0NT6G+xRm6ZOXr4HBnVVTIw0mmfMNTZ+Tz3jBpWU40wJmuoU6 PV6AZB7PPWInJmBwo+yTZeAjXQMVqZgfZ+rR4O0n/TPsG2FaueB+YF4TBsG1kHP+ JD6UuaMfux6LsCL6vw8hhRUlL5kKBa1LK1sHpjSHh1At6yRDQz4fBJ2RGUngG6ek 0ZNQ6cZsPnBE6sXtAqceLxp3GzDJnym6y/DumJ1gI3+5RPl38vZAl3y9sVvH3uI/ 1LkBYLR6G/UbkacGml9JX6HCU/vFLQXDBjQ7OEUtdOXd9o/M9Ck8fvCUg== X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; bh=Jy/s8t44b3qMFwsQTXQILwReAwgW/gMYvSyBod5z+nI=; b=T4IiGmFD TY+PsYaV5D6h6hDPd26fB0+R0YLXcNEp5JCoslack7TR13Hs3p5OeKo8Zse3hPAJ nLkSfSgOtON7ZxzTxKpTWotpQA+j+UlJS+GQQ3O1nEwny9IPi4jJL1rfy7PjEs9c MDVpHLgi+5wHQ1PKwpF94IGjg7XDGkHhyDujYY3ASHw3ktfT3LA4pw7byTX/Zbq0 pRhxvEPS0EXXZVMb7n/8K49MoQmqls59xLqGkzj0uKFFVFyR6kepW+TpcTl0RlIk WVsEJyrRW/pGbjyPjm6E7foBNcdvpoV4wTsCU1fDQYDrW8tSVE0VcDz107YKCrEX PQxyQ4ljNi+3QQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledruddtkedgvddtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfquhhtnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucef tddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpehrvffhuffkff gfgggtgfesthekredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepifhirhhvihhnucfjvghrrhcuoehghhgv rhhrlhesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepuddtkedrvdduhedrudelhedrvd dtheenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepghhhvghrrhhlsehfrghsthhmrghilhdr tghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: To: gEDA User Mailing List From: "Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: [geda-user] PCB: Text disappears when converting selection to element. Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:00 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Greetings, I am using pcb 4.1.3 on Slackware Linux. I am trying to modify an existing, but renamed, element. I need to add text ("+") to the top silk layer. The text gets added and looks to be on the top silk layer, but when done and I choose "Convert selection to element", the text disappears, even though it was selected. I confirmed that the resulting element does not have the text on the top silk layer when reloaded. However, when I look at the element file (below), I see that the text statement is there but assigned to the "copper" layer 4, not the "top silk" layer. What am I doing wrong or what is the trick to get text on the top silk layer? file: Element["" "" "C?" "" 200.00mil 200.00mil 790.00mil -30.00mil 0 100 ""] (     Pin[-100.00mil 0.0000 65.00mil 30.00mil 71.00mil 35.00mil "" "1" "edge2"]     Pin[1700.00mil 0.0000 65.00mil 30.00mil 71.00mil 35.00mil "" "2" "edge2"]     ElementLine [700.00mil -50.00mil 900.00mil -50.00mil 10.00mil]     ElementLine [900.00mil -50.00mil 900.00mil 50.00mil 10.00mil]     ElementLine [900.00mil 50.00mil 700.00mil 50.00mil 10.00mil]     ElementLine [700.00mil 50.00mil 700.00mil -50.00mil 10.00mil]     ElementLine [0.0000 0.0000 700.00mil 0.0000 10.00mil]     ElementLine [900.00mil 0.0000 1600.00mil 0.0000 10.00mil]     ) Layer(4 "" "copper") (     Text[150.00mil 100.00mil 0 172 "+" "clearline"] ) /file: Note that when I load the element and check the groups in preferences, there is only a "bottom silk" assigned to group 1 and "top silk" assigned to group 2. What looks odd is that the "Top side" at the bottom is set to Group 1 and the "Bottom side" is set to group 2. Just the opposite. Is this correct? Is there a good document for the element file statement definitions? Mine is so old it does not list the "Layer" or "Text" statements. Thanks. Girvin Herr