X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= reply-to:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type; s=fm2; bh=NBmgZLZyxItOFHDseawhUCCNWGO wjLPS+y52NLPI9YU=; b=xayDHJHdT+IHdaPSJBVi8HmDFzP3J0hJnvFRlaDHlUT 4hiX2Qm7x4EGL8fCZyi+6Q6lHbSqKjTVkxrBABEybqICrAlLL8xo6bW0v8YfQPo2 oa7djyD3d7BC5iYY6vwvQKwQnzlSirRy5H6TypPHvq6Axvuj8pnfVd4oxRjYgnlO FCVvYDbT0xWzs5j3ai3Ucwow40KIJ8eYTquSqF2aPHrM00WCBwspkFKYDuuIpdpb qG0M3Bscwle/a68F0wTompeFZVi6VS0PzZW4D4mXOzPxP2rNY+IUdBUQ7SL++af9 9RS9Lz5X1cm3mGpFMhL6Tm8/Rwo/M9+Mb5YUjZcN3SQ== X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=NBmgZLZyxItOFHDseawhUCCNWGOwjLPS+y52NLPI9YU=; b=rS0RYQHP 9KjSZRQqq5syOAD7zxmQvNyJi25WY1qyUJ9iwXNc1coihqsduDnM1bbEoQezR129 u6kQXhQFx5sgGZitkgzgj0KA5ya6JIBy3INzd6IHaMKtwS++Bu6FdD9hUIWP8Dp3 YRU/X4f/Eok73QoQhYTWbxz7JznLSVewZAurl3PgGX3NP5vb79tX68UQYIDrBNSW AJj5qWSJXXlPCR9APtxkN1fU62uUlKAkFCKsVLfiOc5e1LfEIy5stoMO8lvnUQRB 97gFhQKB9JLzWEQ36zb3WtS62si+mShtV6BOvmo7a4ncjm5SqY0zBqUREdBjktQm ksHY0jDhecJy6g== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrkeeigdduudelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfquhhtnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucef tddtnecunecujfgurheprhfuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgesrgdtreertdefjeenucfhrhhomh epifhirhhvihhnucfjvghrrhcuoehghhgvrhhrlhesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqeen ucffohhmrghinheplhgruhhntghhphgrugdrnhgvthenucfkphepuddtkedrvdduhedrud elhedrvddtheenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepghhhvghrrhhlsehfrghsthhm rghilhdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Subject: Re: [geda-user] PCB 4.1.3 png export acting weird To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <34d4880c-3aa0-26a2-0d02-ab740ccda6be AT fastmail DOT com> <1993f267-eaba-d065-2a84-11d33a165b8e AT fastmail DOT com> From: "Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <02221dee-bb68-95bd-c28f-93db1f85043a@fastmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:11:08 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A65545185CC029E36DA52D0B" Content-Language: en-US Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A65545185CC029E36DA52D0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chad, Just an update to let you know what I discovered since my last message. I discovered that LibreCad (LC) does not handle PNG imports very well. It imports the file, but it is huge. When I tried to "scale" it down by a reasonable amount, the image disappeared! I later read that LC prefers vector graphics to raster bit-maps, of which PNG is, and suggests converting the raster file to DXF using inkscape. I have tried that in the past, but with less than successful results. However, I tried exporting the PCB layers I want using the EPS option instead of the PNG option, and then running the EPS file through pstoedit, which converts it to DXF, which is LC's native file format for "blocks". I then imported the DXF file as a block into my LC drawing and it worked fine. I was then able to make my assembly drawing using the PCB exported design without re-drawing it. Slick. BTW: For another "data point", I was going to try to export my design as EPS without the work-around you suggested (no copper layers selected), but DJ mentioned in a previous message in this thread that the EPS option also has the same problem. So, I will not bother testing it. BTW2: I discovered the "PS" PCB export option produces the same output as File > Print - all board layers on separate pages - which is not the same format as the other export options. That was not expected but may be by design for some reason. It may be more intuitive to "Print" to a file using PostScript and let the PS export have the same result as the other export options. Girvin On 1/29/19 4:31 PM, Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Great! I'm glad we have a working solution for now. > > Since you have something that works, I'll look into it some more this > weekend. > > Cheers, > --Chad > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:08 PM Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com > ) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com > ] > wrote: > > Chad, > > Okay, here's what I did. As you suggested, I used the unused > "signal2" layer to create a box around the board edge and kept it > turned on with the "component" and "solder" layers turned off. In > the PNG dialog, I checked the "screen-layout-order" option and > that gave me what I want - silkscreen, pins, and outline. If I > leave the "screen-layout-order" option unchecked and nothing else > changed, then I get everything again - traces from both sides and all. > > So, I thank you for your work-around and I can continue my work > wile you get it sorted out. I will look into posting a bug report > ASAP. > > Thanks Again. > Girvin > > > On 1/29/19 3:35 PM, Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com > ) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com > ] wrote: >> Okay, so, it's not a recent thing. That means I didn't break >> anything (that I don't already know about) :) >> >> As a temporary workaround, do you have a spare copper layer? >> Maybe you could draw the outline on the spare layer and enable >> it. Perhaps that would trick the pads into being drawn while we >> get this sorted out. >> >> LaunchPad is the bug tracker that we use: >> https://launchpad.net/pcb >> >> Generally common sense applies. Provide enough info so that the >> devs can reproduce the problem. The easier you make it for us and >> the more specific you can be, the easier it is for us to help you. >> >> Thanks, >> --Chad >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 6:30 PM Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com >> ) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com >> ] > > wrote: >> >> Chad & DJ, >> >> Thanks for your prompt response. >> >> Yes, I have "Only-visible" checked in the PNG dialog. That >> was the first thing I did, since the prompt specifically said >> "...visible items...", which implies visible on the screen. >> >> I thought I did this before, but my notes from then say to >> enable "Component" side to get pads. Otherwise will only get >> silkscreen. Sounds familiar. However, that board was a >> single-sided board, so it didn't matter, since there were no >> traces on the Component side. This new board is a >> double-sided board. I just checked and exporting with >> "Component" layer turned on will produce the top silk, pins >> and both component and solder layer traces, which still is >> not what I want. I don't want the traces for this export. >> According to the PNG file date on that single-sided board, it >> was February of 2015. So, this process was giving me problems >> that far back at least. >> >> I have never used LaunchPad before or filed a bug report. How >> do I do that? Is there a process document I can read to do >> it? If so, where can I find it? >> >> Thanks again. >> Girvin >> >> >> On 1/29/19 2:39 PM, Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com >> ) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com >> ] wrote: >>> It does appear that the pins and pads not being drawn. Did >>> this ever work for you? Did it break recently? >>> >>> Could you please file a bug report on LaunchPad? I'll take a >>> look. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:29 PM DJ Delorie >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Please make sure you have also checked the >>> "only-visible" option in the >>> png exporter dialog. >>> --------------A65545185CC029E36DA52D0B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Chad,

Just an update to let you know what I discovered since my last message. I discovered that LibreCad (LC) does not handle PNG imports very well. It imports the file, but it is huge. When I tried to "scale" it down by a reasonable amount, the image disappeared! I later read that LC prefers vector graphics to raster bit-maps, of which PNG is, and suggests converting the raster file to DXF using inkscape. I have tried that in the past, but with less than successful results.

However, I tried exporting the PCB layers I want using the EPS option instead of the PNG option, and then running the EPS file through pstoedit, which converts it to DXF, which is LC's native file format for "blocks". I then imported the DXF file as a block into my LC drawing and it worked fine. I was then able to make my assembly drawing using the PCB exported design without re-drawing it. Slick.

BTW: For another "data point", I was going to try to export my design as EPS without the work-around you suggested (no copper layers selected), but DJ mentioned in a previous message in this thread that the EPS option also has the same problem. So, I will not bother testing it.

BTW2: I discovered the "PS" PCB export option produces the same output as File > Print - all board layers on separate pages - which is not the same format as the other export options. That was not expected but may be by design for some reason. It may be more intuitive to "Print" to a file using PostScript and let the PS export have the same result as the other export options.

Girvin


On 1/29/19 4:31 PM, Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
Great! I'm glad we have a working solution for now.

Since you have something that works, I'll look into it some more this weekend.

Cheers,
--Chad

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:08 PM Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

Chad,

Okay, here's what I did. As you suggested, I used the unused "signal2" layer to create a box around the board edge and kept it turned on with the "component" and "solder" layers turned off. In the PNG dialog, I checked the "screen-layout-order" option and that gave me what I want - silkscreen, pins, and outline. If I leave the "screen-layout-order" option unchecked and nothing else changed, then I get everything again - traces from both sides and all.

So, I thank you for your work-around and I can continue my work wile you get it sorted out. I will look into posting a bug report ASAP.

Thanks Again.
Girvin


On 1/29/19 3:35 PM, Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
Okay, so, it's not a recent thing. That means I didn't break anything (that I don't already know about) :)

As a temporary workaround, do you have a spare copper layer? Maybe you could draw the outline on the spare layer and enable it. Perhaps that would trick the pads into being drawn while we get this sorted out.

LaunchPad is the bug tracker that we use:

Generally common sense applies. Provide enough info so that the devs can reproduce the problem. The easier you make it for us and the more specific you can be, the easier it is for us to help you.

Thanks,
--Chad


On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 6:30 PM Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

Chad & DJ,

Thanks for your prompt response.

Yes, I have "Only-visible" checked in the PNG dialog. That was the first thing I did, since the prompt specifically said "...visible items...", which implies visible on the screen.

I thought I did this before, but my notes from then say to enable "Component" side to get pads. Otherwise will only get silkscreen. Sounds familiar. However, that board was a single-sided board, so it didn't matter, since there were no traces on the Component side. This new board is a double-sided board. I just checked and exporting with "Component" layer turned on will produce the top silk, pins and both component and solder layer traces, which still is not what I want. I don't want the traces for this export. According to the PNG file date on that single-sided board, it was February of 2015. So, this process was giving me problems that far back at least.

I have never used LaunchPad before or filed a bug report. How do I do that? Is there a process document I can read to do it? If so, where can I find it?

Thanks again.
Girvin


On 1/29/19 2:39 PM, Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
It does appear that the pins and pads not being drawn. Did this ever work for you? Did it break recently?

Could you please file a bug report on LaunchPad? I'll take a look.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:29 PM DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

Please make sure you have also checked the "only-visible" option in the
png exporter dialog.
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