X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <5A6B59B4.1050508@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:39:16 +0100 From: "Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.19) Gecko/20110429 Fedora/2.0.14-1.fc13 SeaMonkey/2.0.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] pin drill and thickness statistics from cvs.gedasymbols.org References: <20180114202623 DOT 3E2608076F36 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <20180126023122 DOT C420B8076F4C AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> In-Reply-To: <20180126023122.C420B8076F4C@turkos.aspodata.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCJOKEZlDgKd9gvcrJ9UgnZmrun/OPRFl9LTXem61zt/7M8q8JMTZC4V4DAkiE9iEoTI+YS/zNg7TOYqMBrPh6s/BLfJtsXMZht74Ru50OKwQgMwYFGk R7Gj3mu515wmbGdQMZ+VSdZEfsRwpGHTFdoBE0pzf9B/XzK7vsNz6019U7/J0ynUPEMrwJmpe21TzA== Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com karl AT aspodata DOT se wrote: > Do theese thickness diameters look reasonable ? > > all values in mm > c = small/tight > b = hopefully something normal > a = something somewhat big > aa = big thickness > > hole c b a aa > 0.3 0.8 1.0 1.2 2.5 > 0.4 0.9 1.1 1.3 2.7 > 0.5 1.0 1.3 1.5 2.9 > 0.6 1.1 1.4 1.6 3.0 > 0.7 1.2 1.5 1.8 3.2 > 0.8 1.3 1.7 2.0 3.4 > 0.9 1.4 1.8 2.1 3.5 > 1.0 1.5 1.9 2.3 3.7 > 1.1 1.6 2.1 2.4 3.9 > 1.2 1.7 2.2 2.6 4.1 > 1.3 1.8 2.3 2.7 4.2 > 1.4 1.9 2.4 2.9 4.4 > 1.5 2.0 2.6 3.0 4.6 > 1.6 2.1 2.7 3.2 4.7 > 1.7 2.2 2.8 3.4 4.9 > 1.8 2.3 3.0 3.5 5.1 > 1.9 2.4 3.1 3.7 5.3 > 2.0 2.5 3.2 3.8 5.4 > 2.1 2.6 3.4 4.0 5.6 > 2.2 2.7 3.5 4.1 5.8 > 2.3 2.8 3.6 4.3 5.9 > 2.4 2.9 3.8 4.4 6.1 > 2.5 3.0 3.9 4.6 6.3 > 2.6 3.1 4.0 4.8 6.5 > 2.7 3.2 4.2 4.9 6.6 > 2.8 3.3 4.3 5.1 6.8 > 2.9 3.4 4.4 5.2 7.0 > 3.0 3.5 4.6 5.4 7.1 > 3.1 3.6 4.7 5.5 7.3 > 3.2 3.7 4.8 5.7 7.5 > 3.3 3.8 5.0 5.8 7.7 > > each column is > thickness = a0 + a1 * hole_dia > > a0 a1 > c: 0.2662 1.0966 > b: 0.6041 1.3211 > a: 2.0090 1.7107 > aa: 0.7195 1.5476 > > I got theese by the procedure outlined in > > http://aspodata.se/git/openhw/share/pcb/data_from_cvs.gedasymbols.org/readme.txt > > /// > > Loocking at https://www.samtec.com/support/pcb-hole-sizes I get much > tighter values: 0.130 1.011 > > /// > > Does IPC have any recommendation about this ? > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Aspö Data > Lilla Aspö 148 > S-742 94 Östhammar > Sweden > +46 173 140 57 > Hi Karl, What I do is: - determine lead dimensions and shape (round, square, flat, etc.), - determine required hole diameter and define in footprint file, - based on minimal, nominal, maximum accuracy (soldering technology) determine drill sizes of board house (round up and use the "even" values as in .022, ,024, .026, etc). - use drill sizes that exist and are actually sold by drill manufacturers ! - after layout is finished look at the drill report and optimize for minimal drill bit changes. - so .020, .022, .024, .026, .028 all end up being .028 when the files are sent to the board house for production. - routing goes into a separate (gerber) file ... and do communicate with the vendor before actual production starts up. - YMMV to the gallon ;-) Kind regards, Bert Timmerman.