X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lr6YiJC9Uy1BzrhVh52n4cS2Kp3zZh5+ABRi+78JWO4=; b=RJFVUB1mvEN8MkI0TIsX8G+aAfQCf5qulRckceWicakrizonVcWXMHl3hUh4ToD7nc aARIrVX8LONRvT+ae1QNvYL9Gg5D+qB4Au5XAsbV/vOPyBLVEway0ckPPEYUj2WmxW2O mPY21Mx6ULaMBLXpG1ldgh/1nL9kj1UzgjGFAWBQ9cufadmh22dSKYhLw7VQ0jP3vjxk UTSj7qy6mP5FeFJuFiGozcL+DkP3LhI83bn+y76lgulXjggU7dajhSkXfrsZ2et55+HL kuIBIHncUQfAIJMkUBLT36K+d5SDJEmZzS14GapU2z634h3uh/r9aWrvBd8pnjc6iltG Wvuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=lr6YiJC9Uy1BzrhVh52n4cS2Kp3zZh5+ABRi+78JWO4=; b=TtQj6RwDbzbrlO3N/uZG68903l4HA2iPgV/aCNVuMIY8QDRKQiTFxX/YuOs5+RFiT3 y6r91+oX1l6871NMxebNUZOftUc4wV/kACcg116J4rcYj9qcrZTHlzxXdc1GJncLs79O vm9+92enAh8WoK4Voh2kDH7F82KJQEKbFf9d9zxH2bixfg1WcZu/pGQD/AawvH9S0Gm5 WWTFlMnrM5OPkp/VduvCjMWl69yyB4q4JRX3MgUsHkdwzQSoVFw1mAy198xg4vULdOod BLm2Uk0kLhkHpuw7vxmLAUiljFK+y2gsCupF7Gx6f8xYK3ae9B5UIDD+6G03u1k3uFe1 Zs7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1stugXvxEv85f4c1bPEGe+o8gjCVYsN2t3Pv8XA4fbe8yifJXdtGGh3ScjlcJw/b+PDDri8gwLKDFu+Q== X-Received: by 10.46.15.25 with SMTP id 25mr23637ljp.64.1490917823876; Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:50:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170330182655.91a8f3e1f328bd0becb1ca3f@gmail.com> References: <20170327154129 DOT 68029809DB6C AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <20170328132437 DOT 46A6B809DB6C AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <20170329182946 DOT ae2033e7ec476c9f1ddd35f3 AT gmail DOT com> <20170330182655 DOT 91a8f3e1f328bd0becb1ca3f AT gmail DOT com> From: "John Luciani (jluciani AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] No support for solder paste in pcb file format ? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1ce7a0481468054bfb5b9a Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --94eb2c1ce7a0481468054bfb5b9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nicklas Karlsson ( nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] < geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > > > > > >> John Luciani: > > > > > >> > I create stencil footprints with the same basename as > > > > > >> > the component footprint and a ".sfp" extension. I have > > > > > >> > a script that parses the pcb and identifies all components > > > > > >> > that have a stencil footprint. > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't find this script on your page. Could you please post or > > > link? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The script isn't quite ready for prime-time. > > > > > > But you tell why these scipts are good? > > > > > > > > The current script identifies the footprints that should be changed when > > generating gerbers for a stencil. The completed script will perform the > > replacement. > > To put it another way. Is it better to generate paste layer from a script > than manually editing each footprint? > I do not manually edit anything. If a part requires a stencil footprint it is generated with a script along with the footprint. For the other parts I do not bother. Future versions of the script will accommodate parts without sfp files by generating slightly reduced stencil openings for each pad. > > > > > > >> as thin line silk for checking or write the pads to the sfp > file. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Do you have any specific file format for your sfp files ? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just make them as normal footprints. For example - the stencil > > > > > footprint > > > > > > below is for a Cree XP-G LED -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Element[0x0 "LED" "" "" 0 0 9996 2996 0 100 0x0] > > > > > > ( > > > > > > Pad[-5511 -5511 -5511 5511 1968 2000 2968 "" "1" 0x0100] > > > > > > Pad[5511 -5511 5511 5511 1968 2000 2968 "" "2" 0x0100] > > > > > > Pad[-492 -3937 492 -3937 2952 2000 3952 "" "3" 0x0100] > > > > > > Pad[-492 0 492 0 2952 2000 3952 "" "3" 0x0100] > > > > > > Pad[-492 3937 492 3937 2952 2000 3952 "" "3" 0x0100] > > > > > > ElementLine[7996 -2484 7996 -7996 1000] > > > > > > ElementLine[7996 -7996 -7996 -7996 1000] > > > > > > ElementLine[-7996 -7996 -7996 -2484 1000] > > > > > > ElementLine[7996 2484 7996 7996 1000] > > > > > > ElementLine[7996 7996 -7996 7996 1000] > > > > > > ElementLine[-7996 7996 -7996 2484 1000] > > > > > > ElementArc[-7996 -10496 500 500 0 360 1000] > > > > > > ) > > > > > > The *.sfp files are used to define shapes for solder paste? > > > > > > > The shapes define openings in a stencil. > > Then the shapes end up on the "stencil" layer, I think "paste" layer is a > common name for this layer. > > > > > > For thermal pads I always use the grid. I have seen a lot of > production > > > > problems. Bridging and misalignments. On these large pads I use a > grid > > > > which reduces the coverage to between 50 - 60%. > > > > > > You use a grid because there will be production problems for a solid > shape? > > > > > > > Yes. I have seen bridging and misalignments. All of the components that > > I have used (with thermal pads) have recommended stencil openings > > as well as footprints. I either follow the datasheet recommendation or > > the manufacturer application notes. > > I do not perfectly understand this, do you have an example for example > datasheet or application note? > The datasheet for the Cree XPG is at www.cree.com/led-components/media/documents/XLampXPG-15B.pdf Near the end of the file are the footprint and stencil recommendations. > > > Regards Nicklas Karlsson > -- http://www.wiblocks.com --94eb2c1ce7a0481468054bfb5b9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-use= r AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> > > > >> John Luci= ani:
> > > > >> > I create stencil footprints with the same= basename as
> > > > >> > the component footprint and a ".sfp&= quot; extension. I have
> > > > >> > a script that parses the pcb and identifi= es all components
> > > > >> > that have a stencil footprint.
> > > >
> > > > I couldn't find this script on your page.=C2=A0 Cou= ld you please post or
> > link?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The script isn't quite ready for prime-time.
> >
> > But you tell why these scipts are good?
> >
> >
> The current script identifies the footprints that should be changed wh= en
> generating gerbers for a stencil. The completed script will perform th= e
> replacement.

To put it another way. Is it better to generate paste layer from a s= cript than manually editing each footprint?

=
I do not manually edit anything. If a part requires a stencil footprin= t it
is generated with a script along with the footprint.
=
For the other parts I do not bother. Future versions of the = script will accommodate parts
without sfp files by generating slightly r= educed stencil openings for each pad.



> > > > >> as thin line silk for checking or write the pa= ds to the sfp file.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Do you have any specific file format for your = sfp files ?
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > I just make them as normal footprints. For example= - the stencil
> > > > footprint
> > > > > below is for a Cree XP-G LED --
> > > > >
> > > > > Element[0x0 "LED" "" "&qu= ot; 0 0 9996 2996 0 100 0x0]
> > > > > (
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pad[-5511 -5511 -5511 5511 1968 2000 = 2968 "" "1" 0x0100]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pad[5511 -5511 5511 5511 1968 2000 29= 68 "" "2" 0x0100]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pad[-492 -3937 492 -3937 2952 2000 39= 52 "" "3" 0x0100]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pad[-492 0 492 0 2952 2000 3952 "= ;" "3" 0x0100]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pad[-492 3937 492 3937 2952 2000 3952= "" "3" 0x0100]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementLine[7996 -2484 7996 -7996 100= 0]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementLine[7996 -7996 -7996 -7996 10= 00]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementLine[-7996 -7996 -7996 -2484 1= 000]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementLine[7996 2484 7996 7996 1000]=
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementLine[7996 7996 -7996 7996 1000= ]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementLine[-7996 7996 -7996 2484 100= 0]
> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ElementArc[-7996 -10496 500 500 0 360= 1000]
> > > > > )
> >
> > The *.sfp files are used to define shapes for solder paste?
> >
>
> The shapes define openings in a stencil.

Then the shapes end up on the "stencil" layer, I think &qu= ot;paste" layer is a common name for this layer.


> > > For thermal pads I always use the grid. I have seen a lot of= production
> > > problems. Bridging and misalignments. On these large pads I = use a grid
> > > which reduces the coverage to between 50 - 60%.
> >
> > You use a grid because there will be production problems for a so= lid shape?
> >
>
> Yes. I have seen bridging and misalignments. All of the components tha= t
> I have used (with thermal pads) have recommended stencil openings
> as well as footprints. I either follow the datasheet recommendation or=
> the manufacturer application notes.

I do not perfectly understand this, do you have an example for examp= le datasheet or application note?


Near the end of the file are the f= ootprint and stencil
recommendations. =

=C2=A0


Regards Nicklas Karlsson



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