X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sendgrid.net; h=from:subject:references:to:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpapi; bh=XqTlv573IPp+JELeetKWvr4kzRc=; b=TBXBV3gBFktjdecqHI fbLNmVIN5CHBPgKAyEcwFInRBYOm9UXTMJUZO+OkpYU8Y/DYeU7C8MNCwlXlu85Z Zm8bhmF1NPPTDUBMH01aUwTePCXYmfUk7UlsLPonszPj3ZgEa7iBBEi/oBEbDxVG S23kzhWfNuFsQ0Mn8ywxIpUNg= From: "John Griessen (john AT ecosensory DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] We are about to alienate users was -> geda-gaf fork References: <8BA67AB8-DB7F-4B97-BB34-CDBF543BE33F AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <07fe5d93-a7e7-9943-d129-aad8481e4c85@ecosensory.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:37:03 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8BA67AB8-DB7F-4B97-BB34-CDBF543BE33F@noqsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SG-EID: V53lTA/kUP1+IqXnzXuv0M/cu/N8aMtf7nxyAyKnAku0U0Zk+y2Z0rCngu7m9HJFhxHrmy0mPKl/oo MiemCTH8A9cjBxER+MpBJryDdkgSE+AFVAP/Ga2YFUvGODyHdT/a7thypPigIpQj9NUjORBCsaTZJg oHp6Ck+MJN9EYjQZvKX9YQn6RQP63lZ3liMUmoA7H3EA2rTHY4Yoz1CtPA7pAmwZibUWqnmAM6VXOb o= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id v1FIb6ft006006 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On 02/15/2017 11:46 AM, John Doty wrote: >> > That kind of setup would attract >> > more users that don't want to code on the tools, just use them, (and test them…). > I can’t understand why any such users would choose gEDA Oh, there are tons of engineers that can: see the benefit of a makefile driven method, know that customizable matters for driving tools to make layout and schematics, think that a directory full of files is a plenty good organization method for a project, can do engineering on linux or windows or OS-X, write scripts and makefiles to automate steps of their work, but stop short of developing the software tool, since they are developing circuits or whole products and there's a lot to do... That leaves out people who think makefiles and project dirs are "too fussy", which still leaves a ton of engineers and some hobbyists. Those hobbyists seem to resemble the hacker/maker type, who does microcontroller and app coding. There are quite a few of those too. It's not a bleak landscape at all.