X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=N/ZO5+y8P8TqEh+MdS0QXg6tef9FSsPV/+822tf920Q=; b=o00mamVBn2kUEQVxUzjkb3G0spiK9YsbuznxD1WOAQb0AckvqrA9DvTndjmNKeQluK NdnxsktVKNqu7B3Bmd406LMXZKmH/Hrl2w++8O9gTvcFjitDOm5dY6T4GzPl7asxMqCs 4E2d4/7HI9q+x9Lc4qRUe8xxlcPkUFCJOrVJxvJ5w3WycdCM4sk/AolPMuEKVHRxsu6c gs8lQxLRblefrkUozKZHMnluNIe1OlqG6kFcl3GPwj3CqDfaygttIG1ee6RZ5s+499yO AxYivFHB35u93m7cLGM7yRqYyXlVJXQqzUaSkxHQ7IfDiVgwun1IKWZtSYT6N8O1TcX3 OPVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=N/ZO5+y8P8TqEh+MdS0QXg6tef9FSsPV/+822tf920Q=; b=WFdhwJNVdpwGXx5Tdob0xB+bw8g6Su3PWXEf6BgBAPGc5wY9WMRd5Sfc9UJc4o7bwC ydsO5+Nx8GORkz85uCzJlDFLN0N0Vymyeb+hjfjrFEnopz9Q2QWJ6SxP1YLJysMr6BCB 7Pdvnva5zPdsifYdhrSy0xUMXaoutQmP/pf7dYoCRt8tbwEa7I2zFCDrttGjU+YZ8rY1 G85nwXQHXXdThVr+VL738nhHEECrJ0Rwdpz+cNVlEE4iU9ppsxDFFP5VgP3o7GrD2qpA uDxppQDWjKbew5Zet41kKf1OLmQXIlwCrj4uCOmuQu2WlkpmEY0izR6BpehR7gchI288 Fy/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39mLLBU0XbOnoc9xxCaa92qFZQgs25+EkNu6Mua9oK8/fumG6TMmwiDlm8saQv1R84tisDoWjyC3YQwpng== X-Received: by 10.25.75.79 with SMTP id y76mr8154933lfa.143.1487046147650; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:22:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 04:22:27 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: [geda-user] We are about to alienate users was -> geda-gaf fork To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:47 PM, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > FWIW, as a user and non-developer, having a name like geda-gschem or similar > is going to be very confusing for the new users that I assume you're trying > to attract. > > I'll also add, again as a user, that I made the commitment to try these > tools (gaf and pcb, now pcb-rnd too) and to stick with it for some time. > But the consistent negative tone of the conversations on this list is quite > disheartening, to the point where it's hard for me to envision recommending > the gschem+pcb path to colleagues. James has a REALLY important point here. Let the fork happen and quit arguing over which party renames their widget. It's just a rename, that can be changed at any time. The harm this mudslinging is causing to our shared cause of gEDA continuing. I would like to point out that for gEDA to be healthy we need new users and old ones. Adopting a CAD package (even a free one) is a bug time investment in libraries and designs. No one is going to take a chance on something if the people making it have this much vitriol over a name or who changes their widgets name. Just let it go. None of this is more important than loosing users. -Evan > James > > > On 2/13/17 5:02 PM, Peter TB Brett (peter AT peter-b DOT co DOT uk) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> >> > On Feb 12, 2017 at 20:58 PM, Edward Hennessy wrote: >>>> >>>> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT >>>> com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:52:29PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't mind, but obviously you'll have to name it something unique ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, of course. We're thinking about this. >>> >>> >>> Let me know -- I can help with a logo. Many of my friends are >>> professional artists and graphic designers. >> >> >> I think we're definitely open to suggestions. So far: >> >> - gedafork >> - pureeda >> - geda-gschem >> - gschem-ng >> - gscheme >> - geda-gscheme >> - xornless >> >> There is definitely scope for innovation in this area. >> >> Peter >> > > -- > .oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo. > Assistant Professor of Physics > Wellesley College > 781.283.3142 (office & lab) > jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu > -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----