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On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 11:04:32AM +0100, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> 
> >cleaner, though stopped due to having no support for this in
> >mainline pcb
> 
> Disclaimer:
> 
> I am honestly not trolling here, just sharing my experience. I am absolutely
> not trying to say what you should do in your branch or in general. What I
> say is not even specific to this case, it's really just a generic
> consideration that I genuinely think could be useful to consider.
> 
> Facts:
> 
> We've been working on import/export of random external autorouters,
> schematics editors, simulatros and tools in pcb-rnd lately. Some of these
> external tools are small, some are big. Some free, some proprietary. A
> common pattern tho is that we can build a working first version of such a
> bridge in a few hours or at most in a few days. They are cheap. Even all of
> them together seem to be cheap.
> 
> Personal opinions:
> 
> I believe the future of gEDA (and generally anything non-KiCad on the free
> EDA tool scene) is not some centralized effort, not some official big pack,
> not an official all-in-one distribution. I think the future is building
> random bridges between random tools, without caring whether a given bridge
> would be also a bridge to all other similar tools or not. If we have a
> critical mass of such bridges, a random collection of the tools start to
> form an useful suite. If we don't, users will switch to KiCad or Altium,
> etc., because "That Just Works (tm)".
> 
> What I say is clearly duplication of effort and code - waste of time short
> term. On the other hand, we either get a suboptimal but working solution in
> t=tomorrow, or we wait for some magic "everyone uses this common
> protocol/file format/API/lib/mechanism" and have the first solution to offer
> in t=infinite. (I strongly believe users won't wait till t=infinite.)

Agreed. I think one of the biggest gEDA weaknesses is that people
tried to support all anyhow rather than support a small set of
things well. For example, in my branch, I've fixed some gnetlist
back-ends, and found many others were non-working (if at all) for
years. This is not unix way and this just don't work
properly. Especially with lacking man-power and having such
contradictions in views amongst the devs.

> 
> I don't say anyone should do anything this or that way. I only say we, at
> pcb-rnd, do build those bridges. If anyone wants to join this decentralized
> effort, from schematics side, simulation side, autorouter side,
> "competing"/"alternative" PCB layout tool side, we welcome them.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Igor2
> 
> 

-- 
  Vladimir