X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ELDJ77mSYfediD5NSyMhWUi7B25t0Mh832DNFkJIkWU=; b=gOpNIcSZjHwXO+CsJz0pA9DggJgzvxpRX/pk5CICcJsageTt1mQ0gk13u8FLDiUXE2 5J7ugOES3SLOakKJQobZI3KP4OSMG4/NoL52afmdcxG9SG6Eo3zwZ24Ic+xRlrdevG6u oD6OPY64sp/LBoG4EEO5juBujrLv+KdqSzN96uMDr3wpdmUG1nEKDlvooJqG1/ViR22U p/8lSRjcpS+sygC1e09NZYqDn+eTv8ovNfWfNMTvNHxiEhbpMEqnSEBoWV5+IZqS2MjK wpccJyNnjt4K8CrYxWKjfHZHZjYlK2yHc3f2MFt8r5QVkBeM5tf7Lh9wGTPTYQSGdzYz q0dQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ELDJ77mSYfediD5NSyMhWUi7B25t0Mh832DNFkJIkWU=; b=rijTyRL4VEB1CUOX478Gg8wz8Dq7jY61y74GZoCyHh5DZYbpV2ICKLccI2f4/P6FtH RQ8f42Ez5dyst673EnqMgv/AG2FhOahL2mTB6pRszBx08/fytcaSYR92VKZIS+HW3YrN GpxnpvMeUD3AbbuZ+HlrcXoxxECh7R+x9clD7fH9FdCODY/AYN5VrjcU2Caa3s7yXU6P lqueCqqiP60I6c+nypIzbfqbc9sjl7tVhCmKIT2f24wpETchKbyl0+fDAzd4ujIYU9OM IH+8IRxOkjUer9ien304xDQSsMMmd1FgQLPZFjnGywkUe5EXnwimRybXK7Q6cl9juuYX WvuA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIps2TvrTx3IuyS/IsuIdV2HmH0CHd9FjeY40JLj33ElxMQ8QI5pEvQfg+uVBbR2HhhpIptfQIuTx/TFQ== X-Received: by 10.46.75.26 with SMTP id y26mr2968235lja.76.1484784578683; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:09:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2df480cc-5ef2-9ac6-b7ad-d17788a6b8b9 AT ecosensory DOT com> <59149c35-79a3-2bd7-4b04-6d0967fcfe0a AT ecosensory DOT com> From: "John Luciani (jluciani AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] QFN packages solder mask To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045ea286616962054667597a Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --f403045ea286616962054667597a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:40 PM, John Griessen (john AT ecosensory DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On 01/18/2017 06:03 AM, John Luciani (jluciani AT gmail DOT com) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> What type of stencil openings are you using? >> > > I was thinking about .02mm more than the pad for the 0.5mm spacing pads > 0.3mm wide with a 0.2mm gap. > > but then I read where all the mfrs want those pad rows to be one open > rectangle. > > I have about 0.7mm openings for each pad that overlap, so a better way to > say it > is the no mask area extends 0.2mm beyong the pads. > I am talking about the solder stencil openings not soldermask. With these small parts it is difficult to maintain minimum soldermask widths. > > >> For the thermal pads I typical reduce the coverage to >> between 50 - 70% (depending on the aperature dimensions). >> The reduction is done using a layout similar to your footprint. >> The spacing between the paste areas provides the channels. >> >> I also reduce the coverage on the electrical pads. >> > > The small ones around the edge? > > Yes. I am talking about solder coverage not mask. For these small parts there is little if any mask left. > > I am going with a 9 pad grid in the center like the upper right of > > http://ecosensory.com/geda/qfn_lands_problem.png > > but with the mask opening like in the lower right. (No mask under edge, > no separation of center and edge row pads > but for lack of metal.) > > I'm planning on 4 center zone vias for heat and electrical contact. 5 > will only help stick it to the board. > > Now that I think of it, I should probably drastically reduce the paste and > metal of the non-via connected ones > to let bubbles out even better. It's not a high power app, just a > STM32F401CE. The go ahead and put the vias > into the footprint also. For now, I'll just place vias along with parts > and use the k key action command to resize pads. > > Any hints on success appreciated. > > I am suggesting a single center copper pad on the PCB and multiple pads cut in the solder stencil. All of the QFN application notes I have read recommend similar things. Checkout TI SLUA271A "QFN/SON Attachment" or NXP SOT1189-1 footprint recommendation. There are a lot more notes out there but these are the two I found quickly. The TI datasheets usually have detailed recommendations. For devices with vias I add them to the footprint. For each device with a power pad I make a stencil footprint with the same name but a sfp extension. When making the stencil you can have a script replace footprints with stencil footprints. John L > > -- > John Griessen -- building field gear for biologists > Ecosensory Austin TX ecosensory.com > -- http://www.wiblocks.com --f403045ea286616962054667597a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:40 PM, John Griessen (john AT ecosensory DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> w= rote:
On 01/18/2017 06:0= 3 AM, John Luciani (jluciani AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
What type of stencil openings are you using?

I was thinking about .02mm more than the pad for the 0.5mm spacing pads 0.3= mm wide with a 0.2mm gap.

but then I read where all the mfrs want those pad rows to be one open recta= ngle.

I have about 0.7mm openings for each pad that overlap, so a better way to s= ay it
is the no mask area extends 0.2mm beyong the pads.

I am talking about the solder stencil o= penings not soldermask. With these small parts it is difficult
to maintain minimum soldermask widths.
=C2=A0


For the thermal pads I typical reduce the coverage to
between 50 - 70% (depending on the aperature dimensions).
The reduction is done using a layout similar to your footprint.
The spacing between the paste areas provides the channels.

I also reduce the coverage on the electrical pads.

The small ones around the edge?


Yes. I am talking about solder coverag= e not mask.
For these small parts there is little if any mask= left.

=C2=A0

I am going with a 9 pad grid in the center like the upper right of

http://ecosensory.com/geda/qfn_lands_problem.pn= g

but with the mask opening like in the lower right.=C2=A0 (No mask under edg= e, no separation of center and edge row pads
but for lack of metal.)

I'm planning on 4 center zone vias for heat and electrical contact.=C2= =A0 5 will only help stick it to the board.

Now that I think of it, I should probably drastically reduce the paste and = metal of the non-via connected ones
to let bubbles out even better.=C2=A0 It's not a high power app, just a= STM32F401CE.=C2=A0 The go ahead and put the vias
into the footprint also.=C2=A0 For now, I'll just place vias along with= parts and use the k key action command to resize pads.

Any hints on success appreciated.


I am suggesting a single= center copper pad on the PCB and multiple pads cut in the solder stencil. = All of the QFN
application notes I have read recommend simil= ar things. Checkout TI SLUA271A "QFN/SON Attachment" or
=
NXP SOT1189-1 footprint recommendation. There are a lot more notes out= there but these are the two I found quickly.
The TI datashe= ets usually have detailed recommendations.

For devices w= ith vias I add them to the footprint. For each device with a power pad I ma= ke a stencil footprint
with the same name but a sfp extension= . When making the stencil you can have a script replace footprints
with stencil footprints.

John L




=C2=A0

--
John Griessen -- building field gear for biologists
Ecosensory=C2=A0 Austin TX=C2=A0 ecosensory.com



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