X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DwMsK3vPNNJwzG3JkjKTpeYmPu22TZ3flavgVVmasAQ=; b=f3Tdl8I00HrWSJ6IHaPD1FoFPSx97bnZ865trDLQGO/ETDAJEjKxUzTMAz9KWVXFXD eE/zehU4Z3cAXC7TaaTPKvIX1s2qzs0zmpnjrKkzx249MARggqRZZQTr6OABwYDC/uO3 zhy4XJ+6KC3UrsbXKoE+vbb9bGPcW6BHAwC0QOwlMZbvHBLhcOUAgqzc4L28MPqq8bUF hv1iVurP5S77ZP3VlN4ti8+tLiWvzxTOwumkACdEKN3d1VFG8Sw/MtNZ5fYbhr09rZ3s tv0yreXLFjLyf/C+nX3yIrB34hW5tNDewjrTNX/dk4Djvmv1gEuUNURvVcVHi3XlM93j Uiow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DwMsK3vPNNJwzG3JkjKTpeYmPu22TZ3flavgVVmasAQ=; b=Am09rWGx19pRLfZGjjj/ZCvOUCOJ4i5v6FedRxl3rl9AIut2i6Yy3dzj3wgsznrL6T rjIuvnpViHVqaQqE5ONhuhObvzkKXNAHwoqLmi0e/9rtpXBgx0UIUsiChpeakYlDq0Pi F7OOAyeIw5QY60wVt8ohUBEb38JWzVZYBRh2y+/sG2+Ss+Jen7kf5PLtRjOjbidLoQ7t 8hASOt+vn/8MgBisMtA6VUOWSqyFJovafGJf6rxPObgSQ36xTP7uOuQcKxvv1R0mk38v PoXlA7oQN82O4QTKnESghtOFNBCzUgR/0vFYWBFNN1P7ExEeoBSpXovRdSDUoExvZxrK V3yg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvcQq5tqe4aWjYlYnPF45ZC1JJiWEUz+VN5qopVJm+1sQOX3FJ/mOcXT4cGcvvzWKqlkI3BoA5zWWU16hA== X-Received: by 10.25.150.148 with SMTP id y142mr8556305lfd.85.1477342547884; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 13:55:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: "Bob Paddock (graceindustries AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] COSMAC ELF in gEDA and the power rail problem for logic ICs To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On 10/23/2016 10:24 PM, Atommann (atommann AT gmail DOT com) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> Recently I redraw[1] the cosmac elf microcomputer which was from the >> Popular Electronics magazine 1976 August issue. And soldered one[2], >> it works right away! > > Hi! I don't have any suggestions for your problem, but I just have to > speak up about the Elf. Here is some 1802 trivia you'll not find anyplace else. The predecessor to the 1802 was a two chip set the 1800/1801 available only in ceramic packages. It was used in some early satellites. Perhaps some other Government projects. As this predates my involvement I don't know the details, some how what would become my boss in the future at Matric Limited, got a hold of one of these chip sets, probably still has it hidden away someplace to his wife's dismay; I expect I'll be the one cleaning out this stuff someday after Lee's passing no one else would know what it was or where it was stashed in the old building. Matric got a contract form the government to build a Automatic Roof Bolter for Coal Mines as a subcontract to Ingersoll Rand. So there is some government connection back to RCA, this is the part I'm missing, which got Lee the 1800/1801 chips. Lee designs a new Coal Mine control for a different contract about the time the 1802 is released. After the ELF came out, I was hired on to write software for the 1802 for the new 1802 based control. Everyone is aware of the impact of the 1802 after the Popular Electronics article comes out. What people are not aware of is how it died. I don't know what happened internally at RCA. RCA was bought out, Harris etc. Same people setting at the same desks with new name on the door of the company for a while. RCA had a product line called MicroBoards, which were a 44-pin edge card bus and a line of industrial membrane keyboards under the name Cardinal Technology. The controls that ran the sub Alvin from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution that found the Titanic was using these boards, because the CMOS 1802 and rest of the 4000 family logic was the only thing they found that would work through the dew point as the sub descended at that time. Matric bought out the MicroBoard line from RCA (not sure who actually owned it at this point.) I flew to New Jersey to learn the testing procedures and over see the transfer for the board line. After awhile Matric also took over the keyboard line and Matric ended up with all of the remaining inventory of the 18xx chips for IO, Graphics, a few 1802, some 1805 (1805 had the 1802 stack code hard-coded and a couple of other minor changes that escape me right now) etc. After several years Matric retired the MicroBoard line and a few more years retired the keyboard line. After a few more years setting the the warehouse at Matric all of the related stuff including the chips were moved to a storage locker where accountant kept their YEARS of paper work. All just tossed in. It was no fun the one time I had to go find some 18xx chip to fix something. After I left Matric for my current gig (Resume anyone? Feel it is time to move on and do something different), so this part is second hand: Someone from the US State Department showed up at Matric with a Cardinal keyboard in hand saying "You *WILL* fix this" (they had be told on the phone that the line was no longer supported). The keyboard failed, I don't know why, and needed some of the chips from the storage locker as no one else in the world had them. The keyboard controlled a Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. Which one I do not know. No one wanted to do the paper work to use a new keyboard to run the plant. So *THAT* keyboard had to be repaired, which it was, it could not even be replaced with an identical (not that there were any) keyboard. So the last vestiges of the once proud 1802 family are decaying away in a storage locker to the best of my knowledge (perhaps someone has cleaned it out and trashed everything by now, I do not know)...