X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:55:48 -0400 From: al davis To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] gnet-spice-noqsi documentation Message-ID: <20160911085548.3ff10379@floyd.freeelectron.net> In-Reply-To: References: <8885DFA6-76D0-4A2B-B7BE-C1BD9AFFCDD3 AT noqsi DOT com> <20160906171850 DOT 760f1845663014bb2717461d AT gmail DOT com> <20160910203651 DOT 3e03a6ea AT floyd DOT freeelectron DOT net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, al davis wrote: > > I don't know what is more disgusting. The fact that people are still > > using autotools in 2016 or the fact that no one has come up with > > anything better after all these years. > On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:39:35 +0200 (CEST) gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: > Or the fact that when you come up with something better, implement it, > prove that it works in multiple project with a long list of obscure > systems it's tested on people say it's bad because it's not autotools. because it really isn't better than autotools. All of the autotools replacements fail to acknowledge and preserve what is good about autotools, and mostly fail to acknowledge and fix the problems it has. good: ./configure; make protocol the targets are all there command line options for packagers bad: code bloat, non-modular, chaotic design imposes its chaos all over anything it touches bizarre syntax of its own config files generated makefile is unreadable Having a list like this is an essential step in making something better.