X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com IronPort-PHdr: 9a23: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 X-Ironport-SBRS: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2HyBAD5rMdX/52AA4BdHAEFARgGgw8BAQEBAR6BU4J5qHqONoUMgRACgUo7EQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAlsngjIEAxMFghEBAQQ6TwsYCRMHCw8FDTwTiC4DFwW3Tw2DLwEBCAIlhi+ETYJDgWODR4IvBYgwhmqKAjSMXoJJj2GIP4QJg3k0IIJ8gVUcNIVFgScBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.30,265,1470726000"; d="scan'208";a="39639462" Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:25:23 -0700 From: Larry Doolittle To: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] Microwave PCB layout simulation or How to eat all your processing power in 3 easy steps Message-ID: <20160901042523.GA10314@recycle.lbl.gov> References: <0f623d55-c654-88af-ca54-52bb385f51e0 AT neurotica DOT com> <20160831041644 DOT GA6695 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20160831061012 DOT GA6882 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20160831171320 DOT GA8813 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20160831213938 DOT GA9594 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Evan - On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 12:07:28AM +0000, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Larry Doolittle wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 03:53:25PM -0400, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> I thought soldermask issues were why most of the microwave and other > >> RF hardware I have seen has no soldermask. > > For the long lines, yes, depending on the designer, but eventually > > those lines usually touch chips. And high-speed serial lanes (with > > the interesting frequency range now going up to 40 GHz) usually don't > > have soldermask stripped off. > At those frequencies I would actually think the chip would be supplied > as bare die and wire bonded. These days Xilinx BGAs have I/O rated for 25 Gb/s, with pretty broad spectral content up to 40 GHz. I'm used to microwave circuits mostly ranging from 1 - 3 GHz, and all the Mini-Circuits and Hittite chips that cover that range (and higher) are in relatively conventional packages. All this rambling is getting a bit off topic for the gEDA list. Sorry. - Larry