X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com IronPort-PHdr: 9a23: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 X-Ironport-SBRS: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2ELAgAVTsdX/52AA4BdHAEBBAEBFwaDDwEBAQEBHoFTgnmKNp5EjDWCAYJmgiaBEAKBSzgUAQEBAQEBAQEBAQECWyeCMgQDEwWCEAEBAQMBOkQLCxgJEwcLDwUNPBOILAMPCAW7EQ2DLwEBCAIlhi+ETYJDgWODR4IvBY8ahG+FEzSMXoJIj2GIP4QJg3keNoJ6gVUcNIVFgScBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.30,263,1470726000"; d="scan'208";a="38934502" Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:39:38 -0700 From: Larry Doolittle To: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] Microwave PCB layout simulation or How to eat all your processing power in 3 easy steps Message-ID: <20160831213938.GA9594@recycle.lbl.gov> References: <1802d6ac-d9d7-684e-ef8b-2061e2557bcf AT neurotica DOT com> <0f623d55-c654-88af-ca54-52bb385f51e0 AT neurotica DOT com> <20160831041644 DOT GA6695 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20160831061012 DOT GA6882 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> <20160831171320 DOT GA8813 AT recycle DOT lbl DOT gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Evan - On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 03:53:25PM -0400, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Larry Doolittle wrote: > > Connecting to reality can be hard. So many assumptions about > > e.g. materials parameters go into the calculations. What's the > > dielectric constant of soldermask? How does the software deal with > > outgoing radiation, even if the design goal isn't to build an antenna? > > A realistic model can get very complicated very fast. Complicated > > 3D geometries push computational limits, leading to either long > > run times or poor convergence, or both. > > I know. The guys I am working with here are modelling the mechanics of > the middle ear. Fundamentally it is an impedance matching transformer > from air to fluid but there are all manner of bones in there and etc. > > I thought soldermask issues were why most of the microwave and other > RF hardware I have seen has no soldermask. For the long lines, yes, depending on the designer, but eventually those lines usually touch chips. And high-speed serial lanes (with the interesting frequency range now going up to 40 GHz) usually don't have soldermask stripped off. > I am writing to the openems maintainer to find out what the limits and > etc are of openems. Sounds good. - Larry