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From: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:06:51AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> "Vladimir Zhbanov  schrieb am  2. August 2016:
> 
> > 2) You seem to have not gotten my reasons for choosing Scheme
> > after many repetitions. I've chosen it chiefly because it has
> > already been the core language of the geda-gaf project.
> 
> So your argument boils down to: 
> 	"Let's keep scheme because we have got scheme."

Nope.

I prefer to evolve what we have rather than throw it away and
start anything from scratch. Reasoning: we have not enough man
power to do such big changes; we'll discourage the users who still
uses gEDA as is if we state that nobody supports it.

> 
> I agree, that hectic change for the sake of change is to be avoided. But
> this should not be extended to mean that the project has to keep
> faithful to every design decision made in the past.  
> 
> 
> > 2) I don't blame anybody if they prefer their `favorite
> > languages'. I just see you want *me* to do anything *your* way,
> 
> Errm, where does Roland ask you to do something his way?
>

Do you think he just asks me to go away (removing guile
beforehand)? ;-)

> 
> > 3) If you want to remove Guile,
> 
> Rolands motivation is not about mainly guile. It is to separate the GUI
> from the handling of data. 

I agree with such a separation, though prefer to evolve the
existing code.

> > it would be more honest to create
> > your own `official' fork,
> 
> ... and add to the fragmentation of the project.
> 
> Note, that pcb successfully demonstrates a more constructive way to deal
> with diverging developer preferences. GTK and Lesstif versions of the
> GUI coexist in the same source tree. 

They all have common infrastructure while xorn is an external
addition with its own build dependences and infrastructure.

> 
> > like Igor2 has done, and do what you
> > want there rather than earn popularity while other developers make
> > hard work on the C and Scheme side.
> 
> Translation: "Go away!"

No, I would offer to create a separate repository for xorn on
geda-project, say geda-xorn, and let Roland administrate it as he
wants. Thus, our users might choose what they like, be less
frustrated (since they would certain that nothing is thrown away
and still evolves), and we perhaps would eventually stop such
language flame wars.

> I'd rather see the other geda developers endorse the already impressive
> results Rolands efforts show. I don't think, the project can afford to
> loose yet another motivated (and skilled) dev.

Be realistic. Now we have only three active devs in geda-gaf (me,
Edward, and Roland). Every one of us has his own vision on how to
develop the project and nobody wants his work went to waste
(including me). My point is: I cannot work in two orthogonal
directions, so I would prefer to see xorn as a fork (which it
really is) in a separate repository. I don't want Roland to stop
working on the project. Who knows, probably some time in future
his project will have a greater user base and support and will
transform gEDA into something new.

> 
> ---<)kaimartin(>---



-- 
  Vladimir