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I already started such a project: http://hedmen.org/xi/
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Tried it on Ubuntu 15.10 and I get:

xi: XCreateFontSet: Unable to create font set


Still it looks like a nice project. Ambitious but you have a well though
out list of features. My main concern is that you are
starting out with the constraint that you must support geda file formats. I
would start out with zero constraints on your formats
and get something working first. Then worry about how to support geda. If
you start out with geda then that will drive how you  architect the entire
tool. You want to do that with a blank slate.


You should also design a tool for all electrical engineers and not just
board designers. Yes I want to do PCBs but I also want to design the ICs
that populate those boards. I want to use my IC tools like verilog and
spice to simulate the entire board. I want
to design products with multiple boards and wire harnesses as well.

And I want to generate graphics for my documentation at every step on the
way.

This group has shown almost no interest in features that are needed by IC
designers if they are not also needed by PCB designers.


John Eaton

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb=
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I already started such a project: <a target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" h=
ref=3D"http://hedmen.org/xi/">http://hedmen.org/xi/</a><br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Tried it on Ubuntu 15.10 and I get:<br=
></div><div><br>xi: XCreateFontSet: Unable to create font set<br><br><br></=
div><div>Still it looks like a nice project. Ambitious but you have a well =
though out list of features. My main concern is that you are<br></div><div>=
starting out with the constraint that you must support geda file formats. I=
 would start out with zero constraints on your formats<br></div><div>and ge=
t something working first. Then worry about how to support geda. If you sta=
rt out with geda then that will drive how you=C2=A0 architect the entire to=
ol. You want to do that with a blank slate.<br><br><br></div><div>You shoul=
d also design a tool for all electrical engineers and not just board design=
ers. Yes I want to do PCBs but I also want to design the ICs that populate =
those boards. I want to use my IC tools like verilog and spice to simulate =
the entire board. I want<br></div><div>to design products with multiple boa=
rds and wire harnesses as well.<br><br></div><div>And I want to generate gr=
aphics for my documentation at every step on the way.<br><br></div><div>Thi=
s group has shown almost no interest in features that are needed by IC desi=
gners if they are not also needed by PCB designers.<br><br><br></div><div>J=
ohn Eaton<br><br>=C2=A0 <br></div><div><br><br><br>=C2=A0</div></div></div>=
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