X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=g39AWsg8+5NfxrhrP05ayDp+c8UE8sZEn7PuKXv9xIw=; b=mZBQ6i6BYRx9XYDXOIiBujhaL3tWp106CV27j8ESsjWrRRkmbDHZFMKBLZEvfg0QnT CD4NxGZB+c8Ji7Csl71bF4wnGpw9+PQp+Q82ObskGLamAdCzC4gCwwWp+YGgTI2TPLZN dhzCL8suopPhDVkhXbPrWKoZNocem+KKGXjrBP2NpH+eZ6hk0Uj1SSoS0KRoN7Ofy2Nm M2a2fcZQcOr/IY4q0SOUDXgWfysiSbkCwaNZazWKMiDHWe40nw2j3HrcLxVMJcqcISi0 eF+4NGYpLvdKtMeo/F1Ir3uhJZ1/s5/rV5pS4MkUCOZCaBamTXr7eRQOMfVINL/QU0p9 LTEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=g39AWsg8+5NfxrhrP05ayDp+c8UE8sZEn7PuKXv9xIw=; b=QWPP4Vxh3mxvairj5/ih5bmdRIxvsI+lu4eXmGee9AXKIhlY3WG5ujK2IiZn7ooAtE WKqlzmS8yZ6ih3RWPT9xfU+Bbcgn1FIkE8LDLaOPH8ggk3JT3RZQlH1TOT/I0ilRZDEe +iD15ud/dxY3rAnNvOH0sh2Buyqntbi33MUlixgJxB+J8VgWLyfQ67qaKk9YOjoekt/u 7VnKafSk4qCbREbut6PXCWCcU/hLr0zULdXW22vWVgetADa4XlVDK9a2MAgXnWf1c1WW KlUVDsbLg6Z/s00xDbnuUUksiP+rPqnEgrCvlwCUAtapO6+BUWpVjuhLz/AfQXiZP3cG vlxw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuqD1nQS/5Z4GIhI2xrMKFn6VK1Z5CB2TKDKdkcLfzDRuLGP8dPKG8NXg+OcIs7IEmVdTM3GISBMEO0Hg== X-Received: by 10.25.82.9 with SMTP id g9mr16858843lfb.228.1469934800183; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:13:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 03:13:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Who can you work with? To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Evan Foss wrote: > >> There is at least one thread right now where people are just >> re-re-re-re-re-rehashing > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Rehashing of problem areas serves an important purpose. It keeps the > issue in the minds of the community. > > >> old fights. > > I'd rather see people publicly disagree and reiterate arguments than > declare certain topics a no-go area and cover the discord with > silence. More likely than not, the "banned" aspects of the suite will > remain untouched in the code base indefinitely. Consequently, the > problems that gave rise to the controversy persist, too. I was not trying to censor people by banning a topic. Trying to put some optimism into the dialog. > This is not just a theoretical scenario I make up on the go. There is > an informal don't-touch agreement in place when it comes to the > default library of symbols. Consequently, the library has not seen > significant changes since about 2006. This would be acceptable if the > default lib were close to perfection. However, it is far from that. A > flat, one stage hierarchy places exotics right next to standard parts. > Digital components by DEC, anyone? This is aggravated by the fact that > the symbols in the library are not ready-to use for the most common > purpose (no footprint attribute). That is a good point. We need a mechanism that lets people who are other users of geda-symbols mark stuff they have used in production in each others repo's so we can gather stuff that more than one person has used and copy it into the library. > And please don't tell me that gedasymbols.org makes up for the out of > shape default lib. Gedasymbols is certainly one of the assets of geda. > But it just does not cater efficiently to newcomers. Consequently, one > of the immediate benefits of choosing kicad or eagle over geda is an > immediately usable, extensive library. I actually feel like we should change the text in the search window so when a part is not found it refers people to geda-symbols. "Sorry not found please check http://www.gedasymbols.org/ > The default library of symbols is not the only no-go area established > in geda country. It just happens to be the one on top of my head. 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