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That's Marvin's concern: Instead of listening to how the product could be
made more useful to everyone, you tell me how I can move away from how the
product works for everyone else.

On Jul 26, 2016 7:14 PM, "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Russell Nelson
> (russnelson AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
> <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
> > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change
> >> would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usability,
> >> workflow and gui that you were not seeing?
> >
> >
> > I share Marvin's concerns. Very simple usability concerns, which *ought*
> to
> > be easily fixed:
> >
> > In gschem, I hit ^Z to undo. In PCB, I hit U to undo.
> > In gschem, I hit s to get into select mode. In PCB, s changes the size of
> > things.
>
> Thanks but again I was hoping to focus on just Marvin's concerns with
> this thread.
>
> PS: gschem's keymap is user defined. I don't know about pcb. You could
> make them match if you really wanted. (i always wanted buttons on the
> keymap in pcb for (pcb legacy keymap) (gschem compatibility keymap)
> (user defined)
>
> --
> Home
> http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/
> Work
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<p dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s Marvin&#39;s concern: Instead of listening to how=
 the product could be made more useful to everyone, you tell me how I can m=
ove away from how the product works for everyone else.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 26, 2016 7=
:14 PM, &quot;Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mailto:evanfoss AT gmail DOT com">evanfoss AT gma=
il.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie=
.com</a>]&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delo=
rie.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Russell Nelson<br>
(<a href=3D"mailto:russnelson AT gmail DOT com">russnelson AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>]<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt; On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mailto:evanfoss=
@gmail.com">evanfoss AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change=
<br>
&gt;&gt; would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usabili=
ty,<br>
&gt;&gt; workflow and gui that you were not seeing?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I share Marvin&#39;s concerns. Very simple usability concerns, which *=
ought* to<br>
&gt; be easily fixed:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; In gschem, I hit ^Z to undo. In PCB, I hit U to undo.<br>
&gt; In gschem, I hit s to get into select mode. In PCB, s changes the size=
 of<br>
&gt; things.<br>
<br>
Thanks but again I was hoping to focus on just Marvin&#39;s concerns with<b=
r>
this thread.<br>
<br>
PS: gschem&#39;s keymap is user defined. I don&#39;t know about pcb. You co=
uld<br>
make them match if you really wanted. (i always wanted buttons on the<br>
keymap in pcb for (pcb legacy keymap) (gschem compatibility keymap)<br>
(user defined)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Home<br>
<a href=3D"http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_=
blank">http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/</a><br>
Work<br>
<a href=3D"http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/proje=
ct/epl_engineering/wiki/</a><br>
<br>
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