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Message-ID: <20160724134045.GP17595@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <98D1C4E4-581D-4A03-94E4-E0330960EADF AT wellesley DOT edu> <20160724062148 DOT GA28126 AT visitor2 DOT iram DOT es> <57948000 DOT 2090909 AT xs4all DOT nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <57948000.2090909@xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 10:44:48AM +0200, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Gabriel Paubert (paubert AT iram DOT es) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 05:18:17PM +0200, Stephan Böttcher wrote: > >>"James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" > >> writes: > >> > >>>Dear gEDA folks, > >>> > >>>I’ve used gschem/pcb for several (modest) boards now, and love many > >>>things about it. I do not love what I perceive to be deep friction > >>>and lack of cooperation among developers. > >>> > >>>It makes me wonder how long gschem/pcb will endure. And therefore I > >>>must decide if, as a user, I should invest any more effort to learning > >>>the platform and building up custom footprint/schematic libraries, > >>>etc, or instead transition now to another platform. > >>> > >>>This may be an unfair question to ask on this forum, but here goes: > >>> > >>>What do you see as drawbacks to KiCad (wrt gschem/pcb)? I’m on the > >>>fence about transitioning away from gschem/pcb. Why should I stay? > >>> > >>>James > >>Same here, I am pondering the same, for the exact same reasons. > >> > >>My colleagues use Eagle and Kicad. Often they cannot do things that I > >>ask them to do, because the tool has lots of builtin heuristics that > >>prevent it. gaf and pcb are transparent, general, orthogonal and > >>sufficiently low level. What they lack is discoverability, especially > >>pcb. Orthogonality could improve a bit, again, mostly pcb. > >> > >>I don't know Eagle nor Kicad. I'll probably try Kicad for the next > >>project that is sufficiently disconnected from the previous ones to make > >>it worth starting from scratch. I may very well come back to work on > >>geda to keep it working for me. > >> > >>There is a patch I submitted a long time ago to gnetlist, implementing > >>functionality that I depend on, but that was never looked at by anybody. > >>This is very discouraging, when it comes to invest time for coding. > >> > >>I am also discouraged by the requirement to use a lauchpad account, > >>which I don't have, and do not want to have. > >Wow, I go away for a couple of days and two long threads appeared while > >I'm not looking! > > > >This said, I'm also among the people who flatly refuse to open an > >account on LaunchPad. > > > > Gabriel > > > >>Cheers, > Hi Gabriel and list members, > > Please send in "new bug" reports ;-) > > As a pcb *user* you do not need a LP account. > > AFAICT you can read all bug reports in Launchpad (LP), there are tags on > them, so you can sort out if your "new bug" report is a duplicate. > > > Even better: please send in patches ;-) > > I try to grab *pcb* related patches and reports of "new bugs" from the > mailing list (ML) and store them in LP, where they can be "managed". > > If they are really *good* patches they get merged in master soonish. > > Some patches will need rework, so will need some more time and discussion. > > As a pcb *developer* it would be useful to have a LP account and participate > in managing bugs and features. > > Any patch or bug report is welcome ;-) > > Kind regards, > > Bert Timmerman. > Bert, the way you're saying about is probably the best we could do now. I'm trying to support this for gaf, too. Though, if people can offer some more convenient services, such as, say, github, and describe for our community how to deal with them, I wouldn't mind. (github is only an example, though. I don't believe any proprietary services are good for us.) -- Vladimir