X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ffw6OCaBylVRWnGQ+kCNY87lP2Zd53+JWw92+c+VYVc=; b=PtQjPqC62p9vo99HFj1kN4H9DWbG0ReiBMgbagF/wNchsQPaW91NeIw/8sp47UU/Te SRVHk2Bz/eg/rGn09RsFQQJt+jvRa0utzcDQ3k6Q2jF9xEGGSu+cz2ItDKGTt/+k/M24 rmPa7NewV3nOTXOjBE3sIGZxJ7yoQ1cssB9M+0rI3yRz82/rXCJgzmJZyFcExCM9sshc n0cpJ2mrerqwqzXYUaiX7ey9Y51rmQ9PBgJ3CXmPeG+gkeAWxuDheYQ8lXj18qJqJGnk AOb1MJMhzJNJbPuIQw0GJ7GYC+OFVbpvXmDWAzJ9JmLplve2YzrvTgu3iV2mVpv1HHmh PKww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ffw6OCaBylVRWnGQ+kCNY87lP2Zd53+JWw92+c+VYVc=; b=Du5Nv9vMUY/2wa3T8NNhW+eRiMjTa1ZDWNA/fmVM6l8VoGBEv6p0F8kJddEb7SH56b zbimJeRvtd2dUU7ExsuXTflgpLxn2T+KHjItMFFL80ubWxnE7m03b4bq7gB74ESf+Jcy dVyHcdLXFVTwhHFYxxsB1uSJ8V5W8CGN7zKTsuAcXeMilO3iferwe604S76MUsz9uPdq 4RvSm952pyBIo74EOHLbRYa76jjaGt6yM/NyP0LdbbYxXIZnWDgUUy1E/4VqbkuJHEgl OhPMpEiINRHiYgo8XoH7jn30FxE1OCRm3JOjtcQNBo1zLAHZldUg7e7WQh1N1tvXaEFi XvNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutlOJvjSxBDwGA0unKhPmTIV9iJWvY/MV7IQhebhuqbLunUz5gZxZyqmm8wbrAcgLv+/KSEYEa3dQyvqA== X-Received: by 10.25.16.92 with SMTP id f89mr4241319lfi.143.1469294426554; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160723190755.cbbcde6a7f2e07ddcc440154@gmail.com> References: <20160722171754 DOT GB17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160723065723 DOT GC17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160723125139 DOT GG17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <34B5E8D0-6ED6-4D28-98DB-4C6ACC1207BD AT noqsi DOT com> <20160723190755 DOT cbbcde6a7f2e07ddcc440154 AT gmail DOT com> From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 17:20:25 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [OT] ngspice integration in KiCad --> Integration in general To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id u6NHKaYr014008 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> I don’t get all the whining about the state of gschem. > > Neither do me, I can draw any circuit and adding symbols are simple. I have however indentified some problems with the attribute handling in the workflow. It is probably hard to add workflow dependent attribute handling without bloating gschem but plugins might be a solution. Who are you responding too? I can't piece together the flow of this conversation. >> Gschem is *complete*. What I mean by that is that there is no circuit topology it cannot represent. > > Correct gschem is complete in the sense it can represent any circuit. > >> Gschem is *productive*. I’ve drawn about 1000 schematics in gschem over 14 years. And the thing is, EE is a sideline to me (I’m a physicist). I don’t find I need to spend much time in gschem: when I’m designing I spend a lot more time in Chrome, looking up datasheets, pinouts, parts availability etc. > > Yes to draw the lines and symbols in gschem is fast and simple. > >> From where I sit, the critical problems of gEDA lie in pcb. The “show-stopper” is that pcb is *not* complete, and I see no prospect that it ever will be. > > I think it could be but it will take time. The big problem I see is time spent on pin assignement and BOM generation but this is no better on commercial products. > > The commercial products are good but my schematics are usually simple. I just need a graphical representation of the circuit, draw graphics for the layers on the circuit board and a BOM. > > > Nicklas Karlsson -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----