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<1771F6F4-1235-4D24-9015-2C9A04EB2117 AT noqsi DOT com> <2DE900EA-9406-40F8-A225-24BD09B3C20A AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_77683EB5-FE20-4190-8BB2-6F4FC45FDE7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Feb 28, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) = [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>> If you >>> knew how it worked at all you wouldn't claim that it implements a = function >>> for every use case. It absolutely does not. If you actually want = an idea >>> how it works take a look in src/gpcb_menu.res.in, and you'll see = that all >>> the operations defined in the menus are implemented in terms of = sequences >>> of fundamental actions. >>=20 >> You have a different notion of fundamental than I have. What you call = fundamental, I call ad hoc. And the proof that I=92m right is that your = so-called =93fundamental=94 operations do not actually capture the = construction of a PCB in general. >=20 > This doesn't prove anything, other than that there are some missing = features, > which no one disputes. Missing for how long? If gschem had the architecture of pcb, it would need a separate action = for each kind of component (resistor, capacitor, neon bulb, etc.). It = would need hard-wired knowledge of things like transistor properties. = But gschem is sanely written on a simple, general foundation that=92s = capable of representing all the information that any downstream flow = might need without gschem needing to know what that might mean to the = designer. The number of missing features in pcb is unbounded because it has no = general way to represent arbitrary structures on a PCB, so every = possible structure needs a separate feature. >=20 >>>>>>> Do you remember the poll I did a while ago? The results were = non- >>>>>>> ambiguous. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> No, they were on a pcb-dominated forum. Not an unbiased sample. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The forum in question is also the largest gschem forum >>>>=20 >>>> Indeed. That=92s a problem. We really need to separate the = projects. What=92s here of interest to a gschem user who doesn=92t use = pcb? People like Paul Tan don=92t seem to post anymore. >>>=20 >>> You're changing the subject from the user composition question and = relevance >>> of Kai's poll. I'll take it you concede the point. >>=20 >> Of course not. You=92re not being scientific. It is certain that the = population here is not representative of the whole community, and there = are strong reasons to believe that geda users who don=92t use pcb are = underrepresented. You=92ve worked hard to make us unwelcome. >=20 > You're still trying to dodge the point here, which was this it's the = biggest > gschem forum too. It's more representative than any other. It's not > scientific proof and no one claimed it was, bit it is a substantial = piece > of evidence that you're really twisting and turning trying to come up = with > a reason to ignore. Regarding unwelcoming behavior, nothing the pcb = folks > have done is aimed at gschem users in general, people just tend to = object to > you in particular, mostly because you're endlessly hostile to pcb and = seem > to love implying that it's not worth working on. It's hard to measure = the > destructiveness of that but it's clearly not going to help anything. You=92re hostile to the idea that gschem is a general purpose tool. You = want a specialized tool to serve pcb. And you want it to reflect pcb=92s = limited horizons. > My own feeling about you are mixed. It's awesome that you're still = doing > what you do at 80+. Not *that* old. You must be confusing me with someone else. > You're *almost* inspirational. If you were a bit less > stubborn and combative you would be. *You* call me stubborn? > Sadly I'm going to put you on filter now > since I apparently have too much trouble resisting your provocations = otherwise. > I'll be sure to unblock you if I have any gschem/gnetlist questions :) >=20 > Britton >=20 >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_77683EB5-FE20-4190-8BB2-6F4FC45FDE7E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW08V4AAoJEF1Aj/0UKykRpr4P/RRb5iOdyg4wen9KrJGZWN/2 UzdAAkF0KDNM/UoPP4qFcMgr62PEL3aP+k+1zegd+ecROvcH5OlJwQFsmNmsCRtU r2Vzi+ZJyfLHIfAAdHLOIP0ZeCYaPPe3+JPxp1VDrB82feC+NaEMkEzW7tqLj8BP CLF2jPg97lNAB6LVY25xqftnArJn0ofL8ZqhL6t4Jq20JlzyeFIKvXqiiaC2rmmQ fTdIXRgmeCbzFrxr5CJCbCyPuWBdcFPKkRk+hgsKPc3mFPhrI5pZOUZWpgqbKzsG yC2TzrZ0zh9VmpVep6XsmBJ5QBDbwPXloReUKdWOBsEckIynwTD0eAys+0dJk2E+ PGgDZkic5sMIsQomDqZ5xM6gllDJnXNQwoVf/I1UbM4K2VmtlRS+X3nLAFUyDx1t lOjXyXw4rLw57qBKl45+odBDk4sWH7f728BSc3dgO9njWJALQixSCXt9wh8sxo74 iK2e9DmVVzMykPnZ5+cnIyUBgD933J7MMNsaOs2m+AqHqJ0kqjF53I9a5TmBD7cv FmIe1pXqIaZcGRy4E+ngqHrSJy9Uvbv8wvD22uU9Jhx/UjBxLr2Ajnf71oNaCT+c n9CBEs72eSuaLcKkQJwImGcHofov7hCHwajkvxMFl8W7BuxPV7JTXKdWfzaeKoFL r1bG6KGgH19VhyU1+39z =qebB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_77683EB5-FE20-4190-8BB2-6F4FC45FDE7E--