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Subject: Re: [geda-user] pcb import schematic crash, parantheses in netname
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 6:11 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak <kmk AT familieknaak DOT de> wrote:
>
>> John Doty wrote:
>>
>>>> as well since it will help gschem stay viable long-term,
>>>
>>> Gschem has no such problem.
>>
>> CERN chose kicad rather than gschem for their open hardware
>> initiative. Same with a number of high profile open hardware projects.
>> See http://kicad-pcb.org/made-with-kicad/ for some examples.
>
> And more people choose Word than LaTeX. That doesn’t mean that LaTeX isn’t a better choice for those of us who use it, or that it should be more like Word (at your suggestion, I tried Lyx. Ugh. Inflexible and difficult. Combines the disadvantages of both approaches).
>
> Eleven days ago, JAXA launched Hitomi (ASTRO-H) with ASICs designed with geda-gaf and ngspice on board. Quietest CCD measurement chains ever put into space.
>
>>
>> Please don't delude yourself int the perception everything is working
>> alright, when it clearly isn’t.
>
> Clearly not. But there’s a profound difference between what pcb users want and what geda-gaf provides. Geda-gaf's application space is far broader, but pcb users want something more targeted. Of course, geda-gaf is pretty simple and flexible, and we who script it can aim it at whatever target we wish. But there's a big faction here who don’t want to do that: they conceive of something as hard-wired, complicated, and inflexible as pcb (but perhaps easier to use for *their* application).

pcb has an action system.  It has batch mode.  It has a plugin system.  It has
a text file format.  It doesn't aspire to be "hard-wired" any more than gschem.
A number of people are working on making it more scriptable, not less so.

> It’s also true that much of geda-gaf’s intelligence is actually in your symbol library, so assembling a good symbol library for a particular purpose is a large part of the challenge. But as you know, this is also fraught with difficulty, because even the pcb application space isn’t a coherent, monolithic thing.
>
>>
>>
>>> It has been stable and productive for
>>> well over a decade.
>>
>> Just like pcb. Only that in this case it is decades.
>
> Except that if you watch this list, the most common topic is problems with pcb. A significant subset is problems with pcb that people expect geda-gaf to work

That's because what pcb is trying to do is harder.

>> Do you remember the poll I did a while ago? The results were non-
>> ambiguous.
>
> No, they were on a pcb-dominated forum. Not an unbiased sample.

The forum in question is also the largest gschem forum

Britton