X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5D3DC01A-2E65-4378-97A8-64ADE8CD6DE4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] pcb import schematic crash, parantheses in netname X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 08:11:08 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20160215215221 DOT fd472794e7b9446a243bfc40 AT gmail DOT com> <201602152055 DOT u1FKtM4K011038 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20160215220938 DOT bbc7eaa59d827cd0b261ea97 AT gmail DOT com> <201602152135 DOT u1FLZrw9012774 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <7F210DE7-0A0B-42F9-ABBE-2C2768621186 AT noqsi DOT com> <20160216081722 DOT 1065cbed6653d3da4ffc7498 AT gmail DOT com> <201602160724 DOT u1G7Ox26001785 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20160216085628 DOT b70143c330cd4da98a4603d3 AT gmail DOT com> <201602160805 DOT u1G85d8c003148 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20160216092912 DOT 7f7439f703b49175a21dbb1b AT gmail DOT com> <201602161715 DOT u1GHFMBB028078 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201602162032 DOT u1GKWL7Y005291 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com>

<59CE9019-7A56-49D6-BC2B-680A7253B055 AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_5D3DC01A-2E65-4378-97A8-64ADE8CD6DE4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak = wrote: > John Doty wrote: >=20 >>> as well since it will help gschem stay viable long-term, >>=20 >> Gschem has no such problem. >=20 > CERN chose kicad rather than gschem for their open hardware > initiative. Same with a number of high profile open hardware projects. > See http://kicad-pcb.org/made-with-kicad/ for some examples. And more people choose Word than LaTeX. That doesn=92t mean that LaTeX = isn=92t a better choice for those of us who use it, or that it should be = more like Word (at your suggestion, I tried Lyx. Ugh. Inflexible and = difficult. Combines the disadvantages of both approaches). Eleven days ago, JAXA launched Hitomi (ASTRO-H) with ASICs designed with = geda-gaf and ngspice on board. Quietest CCD measurement chains ever put = into space. >=20 > Please don't delude yourself int the perception everything is working > alright, when it clearly isn=92t. Clearly not. But there=92s a profound difference between what pcb users = want and what geda-gaf provides. Geda-gaf's application space is far = broader, but pcb users want something more targeted. Of course, geda-gaf = is pretty simple and flexible, and we who script it can aim it at = whatever target we wish. But there's a big faction here who don=92t want = to do that: they conceive of something as hard-wired, complicated, and = inflexible as pcb (but perhaps easier to use for *their* application). It=92s also true that much of geda-gaf=92s intelligence is actually in = your symbol library, so assembling a good symbol library for a = particular purpose is a large part of the challenge. But as you know, = this is also fraught with difficulty, because even the pcb application = space isn=92t a coherent, monolithic thing. >=20 >=20 >> It has been stable and productive for >> well over a decade. >=20 > Just like pcb. Only that in this case it is decades. Except that if you watch this list, the most common topic is problems = with pcb. A significant subset is problems with pcb that people expect = geda-gaf to work around on its side of the interface. Geda-gaf is much = healthier, and much more capable, with a far wider application space. I = want to keep it that way. I don=92t know what the next application might = be. I never thought I=92d do ASIC design until Osaka U. asked me to try. >=20 >=20 >>> since pcb does have most of the users >>=20 >> A common assertion without any data to back it up. >=20 > Do you remember the poll I did a while ago? The results were non- > ambiguous. No, they were on a pcb-dominated forum. Not an unbiased sample. >=20 >=20 >> Pcb users don=92t generally seem to want something like gschem. >=20 > Can we get past this kindergarten style of conversation, please? Can we appreciate that pcb-centric users and geda-gaf-centric users have = different interests? Can we appreciate that a clean, simple interface is = in both sides interests? John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_5D3DC01A-2E65-4378-97A8-64ADE8CD6DE4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJW0w4NAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykRSkkP/jq9/hC7kyPgxm6A//L7luTP H/F2VWOwKc15HZQmnkodS0Vx8SwwzOmJAy8TzU3wT0rZeH3iipG2NSa3fuRxvzn9 xj/ULGe10TS5jTQAdUtjCcCJyy467Io0c6vymw0xMoxCbIV8fG3po+cwaCDt6f7W NqQmZx2rYigFsW+fk9bZzpuPSWaTNHu+UzWpTeNvfrG5qFyunC8q/9Fc6tapG0eJ fQrdC0zdDKFtk7NWWulCEnqEEnh0DeRSDKV/VvuE0oP6Eku/aKdiaTX4bwru0k5/ 0pbygSpQ+xeV2zAl/pPeXvFsUN+4D14S2b1sMuLa1eat1yNIYlmWyT1j4modwq6P 4xlWcJLVnZFZqqskpVyH27sH8MwFU+jl3rBMNNN5iDzU21hleiXHq6RdA+/j85EE wjrVzxqSTQtdYQDgXjQkIAJomspcALvZNJWFcwTQzZUJHDmjPVgUtRt1TfLgybvw K+tog8gyqfPJrOwcvced7/wwk9OPYkS+bZMfrtyDbZTYb41HiPj9x9pFEp8cKFO4 YqseUF9jeG1KCnvZTwWGiZ7EXpkABsz+0Ri6yObydb4hYgWgRK8TqniSo8eXj1L/ ip/0WhNWJhpn2XYhTlPZRsTd5WCHNz3UrjbghNuBsVRgntKVSmq3iKcLerg2ozxg UM8AHlP4WDDaXhu2widU =yl3O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5D3DC01A-2E65-4378-97A8-64ADE8CD6DE4--