X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_49AACE09-FF3D-453E-9176-DAEE5D1360FE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] The nature of gEDA layers X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <201601301603.u0UG3D4E023424@envy.delorie.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:48:55 -0700 Message-Id: <19D5ADC8-71D7-4EE6-88AB-94AD4DBF7FCE@noqsi.com> References: <20160126233332 DOT dec2f06f5c74354a3841989c AT gmail DOT com> <20160127091746 DOT 1c7a976c2752f913921688ac AT gmail DOT com> <20160127141334 DOT c738feb9dbeb54a7dec3dff8 AT gmail DOT com> <56A8F74B DOT 8080304 AT ecosensory DOT com> <56A961BC DOT 3040405 AT ecosensory DOT com> <56A9E416 DOT 8080500 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20160128200126 DOT 0fe1bb26d5c28e59d56dfd0e AT gma! il.com> <201601282134 DOT u0SLYET7002642 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <82868AE2-27A4-44AE-92F2-47A2FAA12BB4 AT icloud DOT com> <201601301603 DOT u0UG3D4E023424 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_49AACE09-FF3D-453E-9176-DAEE5D1360FE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:03 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > Despite some folks dreams to the contrary, a layout program is not a > generic CAD program. Whose dreams? > It has to have *some* understanding of what the > layout *means* in order to be useful to the designer. Otherwise you > might as well use a paint program. Nobody has ever asserted otherwise on this group. The assertion is that = putting a layout program on a solid physical foundation make it easier = for the designer to understand and to construct what the job needs. A = paint program lacks that foundation. But so does pcb. The fact that gschem is essentially a generic topology editor is a = strength. The designer can build arbitrarily complicated structures atop = that foundation. Again, a paint program would not suffice, but a program = that restricted the user to a particular model of circuit design would = not suffice either. We see the consequences of a particular model in = drc2, which complains vehemently about all kinds of things that aren=92t = problems, but don=92t fit its model. But, since drc2 is not part of = gschem, its difficulties cause little harm. Hurray for separation of = concerns! Your sin() function in your favorite programming language does not = understand that its argument is an angle. I suppose you=92d think this a = problem. In fact, many applications (like Fourier analysis) depend on = taking the sin() of variables that do not represent angles. Again, it is = constructive to have a tool that has only a minimum of understanding and = let the user provide that knowledge. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_49AACE09-FF3D-453E-9176-DAEE5D1360FE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWrOl4AAoJEF1Aj/0UKykRTDgP/0qPiKXcVaEbjVEBCGHiyTKe AE3xuzNE41rubrXylHd0l5RHnYbieL8fyYIN2vAmzofFHDnqU5Qc1O2c11yBGzeA 7tja58Jre+zCdcsyOazGLE6f7+CUGECk5Z6J2/dAhyHqoKRiJxHB6LVx/yqTsk/R o/vgiLIUWk2n8NdB8y1kAfqI4XdTlycFHTbUSwDbpzq1TyfxjOOJhs0Iv9lWegXL Es2zRZoISZsum7Dr3Fm6qqrFmBGLPEFdBJ4tTLHNUEz98ClrXk2vsZcftRv5RH84 FpJTitCZpqJ724uTQpQSnegCF8he4vGVH3VZ412DP94gOd1jKHRJUku16srQqhK5 CfcgEWdpQsfcZ3RbgdVKYZgjgGKQ5RN+/kKy9eKyA7kbaH/aU/t7JCgHz5TKVbmj CmBx42hs8oVpHIBVnou06HFHJ3XYdP+Iuf0/X/pj9tJpWZNVEEAQfYsfz5jxrq7Y bsFfKzXrCKAq4sx4+WJC7l0/TLFPYUr6tCNgK8vCA+tccmevg62m7mJN9puT0DZi oVi2wGqNzxIKK+4/qJl9At6XrSI0lOGzIYzwQcXNX/T4iSDdvCe3LApPQ8OoZ0/Q wFUDK5YWCOVZBaOtNgmlzRz0y0bL7vpwHj5LsvSFfHaLx2FsqddX/e0nWWWvEuy6 hXJNT91P8hJIteK/+oCd =Xs91 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_49AACE09-FF3D-453E-9176-DAEE5D1360FE--