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pcbway make very cheap two layer board but freigth from China add to cost
so the best is to order a few boards at once.

2016-01-30 3:55 GMT+01:00 Kai-Martin Knaak <knaak AT iqo DOT uni-hannover DOT de>:

> Gabriel Paubert wrote:
>
> >> Basista charges 77.16 EUR with VAT and shipping included for a single
> >> piece size 50mm x 100mm, 1.55 mm FR4, four layers, solder stop,
> >> connection check, no silk.
> >
> > And they have outrageous charges for shipping outside Germany,
>
> Apparently, not everybody wants to be a global player.
>
>
> > over
> > =E2=82=AC45 for Spain for example (funny how they list Lesotho on their
> > pull-down menus, I suspect they mean Latvia).
>
> They seem to be quoting regular DHL tariffs.
>
>
> > Right now I'm using multi-cb:
> > http://www.multi-circuit-boards.eu/en/index.html
>
> Seems to be a Germany based company even thoiugh they are registered in G=
B
> (Their directions point to the Munich area, German VAT applies, German
> words sprinkled here and there in the English version of the layout...)
>
>
> > The minimal drill size is 0.2mm, and standard (no surcharge) design
> > rules are 125/125=C2=B5 (5/5mil) for four layers HAL finish and 100/100=
=C2=B5
> > (4/4mil) for 6+ layers (ENIG). Same example costs =E2=82=AC59+S&H+VAT, =
but
> > a second board is only =E2=82=AC10 (+VAT) more.
>
> So multi-pcb is a little more expensive for the first board but
> significantly better value at two. I like their online calculator.
>
>
> > I'm considering Eurocircuits.
>
> This company is registered as a GmbH in Germany but operates production
> sites in Hungary and India. According to the time line given on their
> website they started as a merge of a Hungarian company with a Belgian
> start-up.
>
> Thank you for the hints.
>
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> Universit=C3=A4t Hannover, Inst. f=C3=BCr Quantenoptik      fax: +49-511-=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">pcbway make very cheap two layer board but freigth from Ch=
ina add to cost so the best is to order a few boards at once.</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016-01-30 3:55 GMT+01:00=
 Kai-Martin Knaak <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:knaak AT iqo DOT uni-han=
nover.de" target=3D"_blank">knaak AT iqo DOT uni-hannover DOT de</a>&gt;</span>:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Gabriel Paubert wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; Basista charges 77.16 EUR with VAT and shipping included for a sin=
gle<br>
&gt;&gt; piece size 50mm x 100mm, 1.55 mm FR4, four layers, solder stop,<br=
>
&gt;&gt; connection check, no silk.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; And they have outrageous charges for shipping outside Germany,<br>
<br>
Apparently, not everybody wants to be a global player.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; over<br>
&gt; =E2=82=AC45 for Spain for example (funny how they list Lesotho on thei=
r<br>
&gt; pull-down menus, I suspect they mean Latvia).<br>
<br>
They seem to be quoting regular DHL tariffs.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; Right now I&#39;m using multi-cb:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.multi-circuit-boards.eu/en/index.html" rel=3D"no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.multi-circuit-boards.eu/en/index.htm=
l</a><br>
<br>
Seems to be a Germany based company even thoiugh they are registered in GB<=
br>
(Their directions point to the Munich area, German VAT applies, German<br>
words sprinkled here and there in the English version of the layout...)<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; The minimal drill size is 0.2mm, and standard (no surcharge) design<br=
>
&gt; rules are 125/125=C2=B5 (5/5mil) for four layers HAL finish and 100/10=
0=C2=B5<br>
&gt; (4/4mil) for 6+ layers (ENIG). Same example costs =E2=82=AC59+S&amp;H+=
VAT, but<br>
&gt; a second board is only =E2=82=AC10 (+VAT) more.<br>
<br>
So multi-pcb is a little more expensive for the first board but<br>
significantly better value at two. I like their online calculator.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; I&#39;m considering Eurocircuits.<br>
<br>
This company is registered as a GmbH in Germany but operates production<br>
sites in Hungary and India. According to the time line given on their<br>
website they started as a merge of a Hungarian company with a Belgian<br>
start-up.<br>
<br>
Thank you for the hints.<br>
<br>
---&lt;)kaimartin(&gt;---<br>
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Universit=C3=A4t Hannover, Inst. f=C3=BCr Quantenoptik=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
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