X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NlFAAtC7reausOJC8PQ3Hyh0M8eeiUkaS32K1xXRkhc=; b=Za6z8jrloqQ7Whd+RjHcv0lgiDfGwNLIR6751KGGgueVOMwejDD2hb8jhpPrk/h2bH 1WhBR7y6lOlkt4mVBSHU5t7Cqc8GoUPYR9/CfFz7rL640mPD0NrwoMQeOzBoogeSbHMp E8AbhydK3keyIehys34O9Q50O4TJmm8s7KupOxjAsCQ5K7xbBUjigVS48JwEaELcYx6f gYgIJqSRO8bC+CLnMYwNZsa27KWQ3/XRx63PntKa9NIlrJt9KKXV4xV3zRnsHzQQ2Cbl dgXRi7ITzIOz20QkLbMNMHKo4iuijVQ4cpKqzk9BMbNTeFsyLwMq+/W82YDF7j9JwrKD DOpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NlFAAtC7reausOJC8PQ3Hyh0M8eeiUkaS32K1xXRkhc=; b=PxSCgRQ4JnEsFXu6Twe2V1OZ4b1oeyIZfI2IpNrF8EbweMeMeVTBmiaRTLR1P4t+eT 9UmCDLTlCOe1w+X1AwozHYXn9dYaivcBn8UFNheInYvYpebYZdUc/Kb2TTcorxB1Ag60 S11pUD7UGN7lKZQu2TROwauaOJNBWLUaULhwsQNl/OU6fEzkDWJp4k1abs0zfEiKPgqw UzucMt2wigPIvUDZ9ccB8V+Pd/teMjswQGuTiykuZbYR7LH2pMi1T1kcMCgLeB82g3JM tFUNVI+Q3Ua4r3Z8leQSrBcx7YRpEDg+MG1Rk7c0JJNwqRNTvDAylkL3k3zNS0p8Hovt JOXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSPCD2o5vUiXUOwnwNbJ8jc155niv48Dpeg50vnwxx9JDhR6mCXIK6jxgmZSO6dRg== X-Received: by 10.28.140.142 with SMTP id o136mr27095974wmd.45.1453883251724; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:27:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:27:27 +0100 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The nature of gEDA users Message-Id: <20160127092727.fae4d2bc15fd4a0cbfea8e5c@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <56A751EC DOT 8030402 AT iae DOT nl> <20160126124701 DOT 0d061912c7e078ced9d4e6cb AT gmail DOT com> <201601261804 DOT u0QI4KEQ009550 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk We are heading in the same direction. > >>> But the first steps should not be "implement b/b vias" or "allow more > >>> than one pair of outer layers". It should be something like "expess > >>> Elements and Vias as subclasses of generic containers that can include > >>> anything". > >> > >> +1 > > > > So you guys actually want a more strongly typed system. > > No. > > The Via is a container with Attribute "Via". An Element is a container > with Attibute "Element". The GUI HID shall present those as special > types to the user, in component libraries and via stack editors. But in > the data structures those could well the the same as a hierachical > sublayout. Sounds perfect. The GUI HID shall present via/element/... as special types to the user but in the data structures those could well the the same as a hierachical sublayout. > ... > > Regarding making arbitrary containers, I'm not convinced its a good > > idea. Entire layouts serve much the same purpose and can easily be > > copied about. > > I'd like to instanciate the same sublayout by reference, so I can edit > the master and all copies follow. Problem: How to override atributes > (refdes) on the copies? To instantiate via/pin/pad/element by reference would certainly be good although a local copy is needed so that changes only are made then pressing the update button. As is now I think it would be possible to implement update of elements in pcb without change of file format. Nicklas Karlsson