X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3IuzGNq/AqWmBjp31GpLi167xZbGfk1ovmAHkBOis4E=; b=WRfnNC1rZmhCryEhgumz007KCTQkJa9StmP82u+SVuHxHndlI1dqnkVRjfo4k/R66Z X0R/xsdtnqF7rCkrMSnM/0QTM9xi/rlYnrA2JtaKFnx8LC+Mxqvdb2FIkG7P0VIBbIdD Ajl8Op2qEQGSBl1IhirY5KMXvtKxMAwjbdJP+dQnytSp0OT6dDS81NbK8vvTWMNUsziE k7ktbczL+ba1D0V3NFQiUFbHt6jvmsWCBZ2BUcAP3EmDwLMf7SX6FcsNWcQlXcl+7aQE S2rcdL6+Xnry07oinWDY9EqTqiFyMlpRcoc4AlcuxwfaRwcc7rG4CtmJ/hrFiZMOQPBp WCnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3IuzGNq/AqWmBjp31GpLi167xZbGfk1ovmAHkBOis4E=; b=QWKRgMvh0DrG3TYpwXn+p5Vluy8KzZHaRTDwMhjiUiS6A8S62BDfyMJFuY6OBzLpAP QqD4LryCcjA01y4WMLLFL1a470D9cOWxDhXn/UfWXxFQYIVF5Wa26u+51Xz+EAnPHtiK y86Gi7mZPRLOtNiQMmVOHApXJGWH+DwX7Ch3uZz2HMS9+s9XfqgeLK25oQUM2j1DEx38 qhL/27v2phRBB88ugV0rPhdhIEVcqfG0gNcD99k9LSocgLkmg8ohtHERAuyDT9hNGGdG qkEGk7riciUAf49j9QyGLkV0etzO4K6e6cx+ZFVqa/WZrDj02hi17ytS2j3ug7S1wuqH BJXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTrHSzGDvGxpKxqWDXUy8NCwxW8NWT/2qQj4Kjjg+HpJmFf9LXkS2Y4dgsWKg2VIuq3vYyrwTe5jEyDJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.90.133 with SMTP id o127mr27720187wmb.101.1453834438185; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:53:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201601261804.u0QI4KEQ009550@envy.delorie.com> References: <56A751EC DOT 8030402 AT iae DOT nl> <20160126124701 DOT 0d061912c7e078ced9d4e6cb AT gmail DOT com> <201601261804 DOT u0QI4KEQ009550 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:53:58 -0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [pcb] poll: burried/blind vias vs. pcb and pcb-rnd (How ?) From: "Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:04 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> In this day and age to say blind/buried vias are not needed is ridiculous. >> The fact is ANY design that requires even one FPGA, custom ASIC or >> medium to large BGA needs blind/buried vias. >> >> This is factual and is easy vetted. > > If you can afford a custom ASIC, you can afford a top-end EDA package, > and a FAB that supports high-end features. Frankly, PCB is not a > high-end package and custom ASIC users are not our target audience. > > I can't afford any of that tech. Heck, I can barely afford 4-layer > boards with 6/6 rules. There's a huge community of designers that > can't (or won't) afford high tech features in their boards. > > So you can say "this is factual" but it's not. It may be a > requirement for a subset of our potential user base, but it's not > ridiculous to assume that many people just aren't going to use them. > Until we decide to support that tech, we're simply targetting the > "many people" who don't need them. Extra layers are not that expensive and most boards that care about density at all blind vias can make layout a lot easier even if they aren't absolutely required. It seems like the major missing feature in pcb to me, and a pretty good guess that people would use them if they were available. Britton