X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] [pcb] poll: burried/blind vias vs. pcb and pcb-rnd (How ?) To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <56A751EC DOT 8030402 AT iae DOT nl> <20160126124701 DOT 0d061912c7e078ced9d4e6cb AT gmail DOT com> <201601261804 DOT u0QI4KEQ009550 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> From: "M. J. Everitt (m DOT j DOT everitt AT iee DOT org) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <56A7B7B9.7090702@iee.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:15:21 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201601261804.u0QI4KEQ009550@envy.delorie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:LLOthlA/FO3NINmDyBKhPwkzKj1V86nPx0M5ymstuMMg/QWBuDI jKNP4ENcp05T+2e2ZdtYp+OWxiO9UkuxZEdV8nBmGP8DURXlNgEF7CXOY+xSpqiajg9lapv GUzqyQzeI1VJRcsOgH3lSU4YHwO8KkyuKX4Wks8VHeKshYWRg5F7rLuNjns3eQATAzfyAmt D1LANp2yNpBdk8x8ylkSQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:M39rualyozU=:4vMw8ra2/c+waGkNyUnNBI tN5TS8/KNgUel5DjfS+GjsIXOtG3GlL0bF5RUOzRMo582J3esN59IYXsP71oB0RNROq+g+e8h A6FAi/k67IbFWJYRC34q3UWKExGCFLsKTbWJLCElRA/CVNEtxGOgclIQBxoyvL92cMeUy+Tq1 7XzBA+OoBXtF/Aw+3SZ7b/dA4nhY3p2n2MbQiMuraamB7zuGGpjJeVxs7kibFydXkc0buL6BA WNVLhz3jeQso5TVtf/BvwllsPOMl6pONXpOaiW5VPyBB/LnENCyvFZ1G1FZMrv+WtmXL73P9L dtJrTZ9RpaFMAZc0PAPcLURKpORE9V5T3rUpg42avFZmwJs/pg1DKyCvOZWXeY9NJ7xqI1ouX UbCCoHHD+xyMGEcolXCAvOkYCbk258rzg+ws2ijhXktc2aj4fIcEIxSKTlqXemkqNe8G7SEYW ClJ03Lq5Mv69rPocSYrmILoed64fVYp0XqmXzHKTC3pumyaCSIbrv/eIttURB53+tMTO5/K02 5p7vUWlWSex0ukHmn7Vat/uke8NLm9xvaTeUfFnyrGn3+t4rWlECifeDh9UyrBplHLzTgzmah IzgNmkZ5xUwCBUD4SXp02oGQwdvFCYkq94LjkP2Cesy7xxOvtIm8pju3BLQnYFcdIN5KGQz3v hyAFUSEqe+ud6Q/xTZvaFzMld6E4a6572IkMwzrFija2j+Bukz5FxLB1gwkG7VX9Tyi02PUyW zG8KW6Li6EZAYUiz Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On 26/01/16 18:04, DJ Delorie wrote: >> In this day and age to say blind/buried vias are not needed is ridiculous. >> The fact is ANY design that requires even one FPGA, custom ASIC or >> medium to large BGA needs blind/buried vias. >> >> This is factual and is easy vetted. > If you can afford a custom ASIC, you can afford a top-end EDA package, > and a FAB that supports high-end features. Frankly, PCB is not a > high-end package and custom ASIC users are not our target audience. > > I can't afford any of that tech. Heck, I can barely afford 4-layer > boards with 6/6 rules. There's a huge community of designers that > can't (or won't) afford high tech features in their boards. > > So you can say "this is factual" but it's not. It may be a > requirement for a subset of our potential user base, but it's not > ridiculous to assume that many people just aren't going to use them. > Until we decide to support that tech, we're simply targetting the > "many people" who don't need them. DJ . don't rule a potential set of users out because of your limited facilities and personal experience. There are some that are trapped between the 'big' expensive EDA software and tooling, but have access to cheap chinese manufacture who can do up to 8 layers inexpensively on small runs (I can give you a handful of vendors). These are bona fide potential users of gEDA and whilst there may not be a huge coding effort available .. it is a potential that could be tapped in the future.