X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FACB5EA6-BC9F-49FA-805B-5475B8DAF1BC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] Hierarchical design, pin number not needed X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <20160126021440.f61e6e8be6bf4da5d2bafb25@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:54:43 -0700 Message-Id: <8DF71CDE-4E0D-481B-B240-99FAFE082328@noqsi.com> References: <20160125193136 DOT c1297d2b8e17f291e2250a4c AT gmail DOT com> <9763429C-BEFE-443F-B4E7-EDB3BA4FF55D AT noqsi DOT com> <20160125223859 DOT 8f1120bf6f98c3ca60ee2b00 AT gmail DOT com> <8FA3D453-216B-489F-8862-EA004827B590 AT noqsi DOT com> <20160126021440 DOT f61e6e8be6bf4da5d2bafb25 AT gmail DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_FACB5EA6-BC9F-49FA-805B-5475B8DAF1BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 25, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Nicklas Karlsson = (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] = wrote: >>>>> Then using hierarchical design netlist complain if there are no = pin numbers in symbol although in pcb it seems everything work OK = without the pin numbers. >>>>=20 >>>> It doesn=92t work OK if you=92re not flattening hierarchy. >>>=20 >>> The number is in the symbol but not in the schematic underneath. How = is the number used? Or what purpose does it fulfill? >>=20 >> There=92s no way get get pin attributes or connections without the = pin number in the back end. The hierarchy traversal in the core can = =93cheat=94 because it completely removes the pin from the netlist = structures. A hierarchical back end needs the pin, though, and therefore = needs the pin number. >=20 > So if hierarchical back end needs the pin how does it use it then = there is only refdes and no pin number on sub sheet? Would it possible = to add an enumerator in between instead? It depends on the back end. The older SPICE back ends relate the numeric = part of a spice-IO device=92s refdes to a pinseq attribute on the = subcircuit symbol. My gnet-spice-noqsi imitates the gnetlist core = behavior, relating the refdes on an io symbol to the a pinlabel on the = subcircuit symbol. I don=92t know what other hierarchy-aware back ends = do. >=20 > Nicklas Karlsson >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_FACB5EA6-BC9F-49FA-805B-5475B8DAF1BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWptHkAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykRB/sP/0Qfp1RWmP3O/vvN8AX2mW2h 9S1Ou3S71ny1Bo2ko9hVngODr2Sb/NFoIvge5ph0UVDYIeLJ+Xoq/DpyydAHai9i C0HwTl9PxeuPCWdH5mLUT3x2y18si+U++vg3Nvjbd6v8L31vsiIQoCj5AGE8h5F+ TXjAqwxvcsg7AwczcblixVV/DzpZ3pumygQTHxO7II2JAybfzT1CYwTBG7oaZmcz h+j/rYihAtIdgcOx/7HVipHETrf83sXJS0pgiubocZwlL7QKeAeFB7UBTfUqn9wM qzgcLOMMbH9cwKM2XWznSIdYQOqzPBM618Mtbi7w5SEBG8m/qhFzTLPN3GCLLIw6 bi1MoXuPwIej3KFI/N5UOZWl5LIfjYwLU5rPujyjI4+9xUhHgq9/PreDtlPuQyjY 2OsGLuGzSwDGF//l2syQ6ldesmLdVjEsplqT1AlpMp2nTBFRdVtNi+6EmtTMOIIJ xF8Lu3uWzh/WRrxqBd1ydrFD92ujucD5XmqbH6tFFUCnSItJ28wSbLPfwQSHOxxH r7dCK0iVaSmCEBLy7fLTfDCNHJfjDYOrY21L2HeZn8CP1W+Rvc5ezIV5mBn7wVTY 5/T+JOYJztPIAyaL/mh6TboAIdgvYvOk7TevFh8ndVoiOT1LC6J0T6MKBIwV6lHi fY1GQWqSHOGwNzQSnVqz =B7aG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FACB5EA6-BC9F-49FA-805B-5475B8DAF1BC--